1.8T -VWs worst engine-ever?

What a great engine...

LOL

Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo

Service Bulletins

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title

1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following Replacement
5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
Running
11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side Bass
14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
Inoperative
19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
Soiled
21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM Defective
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2727361.stm

> The German carmaker Volkswagen said it was recalling up to 850,000
> cars.
>
> Volkswagen said on Tuesday the problem affected Audis, Skodas, Seats
> and VWs fitted with 1.8-litre turbo

> "The failure of an ignition coil could affect the engine's operation
> and is noticeable by rough running or reduced power output," the car
> maker said in a statement.
---
http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=948&scid=122

> Volkswagen and Audi are extending the engine warranty on two of their
> most popular models because of a sludge problem with the
> four-cylinder, turbocharged engine.
>
> The vehicles are the 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passats and the 1997-2004
> Audi A4s, both of which share the 1.8-liter engine
>
> Volkswagen of America and Audi of America are part of Volkswagen AG.
>
> In a letter being sent to owners, the automaker said it is extending
> the warranty because some consumers have complained of engine
> problems resulting from oil sludge.
>
> Sludge is a thickening of the oil because moisture and contaminants
> build up and break down the oil, causing it to gel. That may reduce
> the flow of oil through the engine, causing excess wear or a failure.
>
---
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html

> In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
> automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
> engine oil sludge problem.
>
> Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
> engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
> how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
> spending to fix the problem.
>
> Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
> from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
> replacing engines.
>
> Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
> cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
>
> The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales
> are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
> year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
> recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition
> coils.
---

JH > writes:

>What a great engine...

Why do people like you insist on advertising your stupidity?

>LOL

Paint swirls are due to the engine?
CD Player and Radio problems?
Airbag deployment?
Dirty alloy wheels and leather upholstery?
Immobilizer reprogramming procedures are an engine problem?
Obtaining replacement codes for lost keys are an engine problem?
Revised maintenance procedures are a problem with the engine?

ROTFL...

You're a pathetic troll.

>Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo

>Service Bulletins

> TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title

> 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
> 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
> 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
> 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following Replacement
> 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
> 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
> 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
> 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
> 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
> 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
>Running
> 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
> 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
> 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side Bass
> 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
> 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
> 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
> 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
> 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
>Inoperative
> 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
> 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
>Soiled
> 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
> 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
> 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
> 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM Defective
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Volkswagen's reputation for reliability has been poor for 5 or 6 years now. And
that includes the 2.0, TDI and VR6. So if you own one, ANY of them, you should
be concerned. However, Honda had sludge problems with the V6 in their Odyssey
van and in the Accord. They also had assorted transmission problems, problems
with the Odyssey's powere sliding door, and trim and paint problems on more
than 30% of their 2003 Accords. And yet they're still regarded as making some
of the most reliable cars on earth. So if you're going to bash the 1.8T, which
is still VW/Audi's most popular engine BTW, then you're sort of bashing every
model they make by proxy. You know, I should hope, that they had window
regulator problems on the Jetta for 2 or 3 years, and that was on Jettas with
EVERY engine. BTW, the TDi had known cooling problems for several years, even
well into production of TDI equipped MKIV Jettas. You can see the NHTS'a
website as well as many others.
Steve Grauman

Here's a whole string of threads about the TDI:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef0873a

And this is just from Edmunds. Search Google for a MUCH bigger list. Hell, all
you need to do is watch this NG for numerous reports of airbag lights, check
engine lights, window regulator failures and many assorted other problems. VW's
QC isn't very good these days. Do I still love my GTi? Yupp. DO many others
still love THEIR VWs? Yupp. Does J.H.s assinine attempt to put me down after I
shoved the 1.8Ts accleration ability down his throat mean anything to me? Not a
chance in hell. Drive Happy. =)
Steve Grauman

>Why do people like you insist on advertising your stupidity?
>

It's msotly just J.H.

>You're a pathetic troll.

=) Glad to see someone else notices.
Steve Grauman

>see the NHTS'a
>website as well as ma

That should be NHTSA's
Steve Grauman

Bernd Felsche wrote:

"Bernd" is your name pronounced like "Burned" by 1.8T ignition problems
or like "Burnt" by 1.8T oil sludge problems?
>
> Paint swirls are due to the engine?
> CD Player and Radio problems?
> Airbag deployment?
> Dirty alloy wheels and leather upholstery?
> Immobilizer reprogramming procedures are an engine problem?
> Obtaining replacement codes for lost keys are an engine problem?
> Revised maintenance procedures are a problem with the engine?

You're absolutely right Bernd, not all the problems on that inclusive
list of TSB Bulletins for the GTI 1.8T were engine problems. But, a
bunch were, and they went on for a depressingly long time. Certainly
the list shows the GTI had more than just engine problems. That's the
nature of such a TSB lists, always has been.

>>Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo
>
>
>>Service Bulletins
>
>
>> TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
>
>
>> 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
>> 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
>> 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
>> 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following Replacement
>> 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
>> 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
>> 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
>> 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
>> 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
>> 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
>>Running
>> 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
>> 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
>> 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side Bass
>> 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
>> 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
>> 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
>> 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
>> 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
>>Inoperative
>> 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
>> 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
>>Soiled
>> 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
>> 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
>> 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
>> 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM Defective

Now for some of the stuff you tried to ignore, Bernd.

Here's one section, again, Bernd.

> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html
>
>> In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
>> automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
>> engine oil sludge problem.
>>
>> Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
>> engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
>> how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
>> spending to fix the problem.
>>
>> Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
>> from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
>> replacing engines.
>>
>> Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
>> cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
>>
>> The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales
>> are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
>> year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
>> recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition
>> coils.

Just using the numbers above, that were widely reported in the press,
the recalls on 1.8T engines totalled 926,000 units.

Do you know of any other VW engine that has had that number of recalls,
Bernd?

Looks like to me the 1.8T deserves the title "VWs Worst Engine-Ever"

I've owned VWs since the air-cooled Beetles in the 60s, and water cooled
gas and diesel, turbo and non-turbo, and I certainly can't think of
another VW engine with anywhere near that level of problems.

Serious thread title for hopefully a serious discussion, that rises
above your petty name calling, Bernd.

--
JH

JH wrote:

> What a great engine...
>
> LOL
>
> Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo

More than half these TSBs are *not* engine-related.

--
Mike Smith

>Looks like to me the 1.8T deserves the title "VWs Worst Engine-Ever"
>
>

I'd say that the Fox would argue for it's right to these awards.
Steve Grauman

Gee, out of all the TSB's you listed I see only 3 which pertain to possible
problems. The majority of the others are helpful information to let the
tech fix or clean your VW better.


"JH" > wrote in message
m...
> What a great engine...
>
> LOL
>
> Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo
>
> Service Bulletins
>
> TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
>
> 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
> 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
> 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
> 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following
> Replacement
> 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
> 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
> 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
> 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
> 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
> 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
> Running
> 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
> 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
> 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side Bass
> 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
> 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
> 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
> 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
> 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
> Inoperative
> 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
> 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
> Soiled
> 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
> 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
> 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
> 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM Defective
> ---
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2727361.stm
>
>> The German carmaker Volkswagen said it was recalling up to 850,000 cars.
>>
>> Volkswagen said on Tuesday the problem affected Audis, Skodas, Seats
>> and VWs fitted with 1.8-litre turbo
>
>> "The failure of an ignition coil could affect the engine's operation
>> and is noticeable by rough running or reduced power output," the car
>> maker said in a statement.
> ---
> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=948&scid=122
>
>> Volkswagen and Audi are extending the engine warranty on two of their
>> most popular models because of a sludge problem with the four-cylinder,
>> turbocharged engine.
>>
>> The vehicles are the 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passats and the 1997-2004 Audi
>> A4s, both of which share the 1.8-liter engine
>>
>> Volkswagen of America and Audi of America are part of Volkswagen AG.
>>
>> In a letter being sent to owners, the automaker said it is extending the
>> warranty because some consumers have complained of engine problems
>> resulting from oil sludge.
>>
>> Sludge is a thickening of the oil because moisture and contaminants build
>> up and break down the oil, causing it to gel. That may reduce the flow of
>> oil through the engine, causing excess wear or a failure.
>>
> ---
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html
>
>> In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
>> automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
>> engine oil sludge problem.
>>
>> Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
>> engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
>> how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
>> spending to fix the problem.
>>
>> Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
>> from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
>> replacing engines.
>>
>> Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
>> cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
>>
>> The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales
>> are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
>> year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
>> recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition
>> coils.
> ---