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Daniel J. Stern wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Nate Nagel wrote: > > >> 944, but I imagine they're of standard European construction > >> (lenses+reflectors as one component, bulb holder block as another > >> component). If that is the case, then you can probably get away with > >> changing just the bulbholders and keeping your existing lens-reflector > >> units. > > > > Why would I need new bulbholders? > > 'Cause according to you, me and the application book we both use, your > outer red compartments presently take an R10W, single-filament bulb. In > the European setup, this position takes a P21/5W, dual-filament bulb. The > sockets are not compatible and cannot be rejiggered for compatibility. Unless I was misunderstanding an earlier part of the thread, or an earlier respondent was in error, some of them used a P21W single filament bulb which I have and which fits right in. I'd rather not use dual filament bulbs if I can help it, my own opinion (which is worth exactly what you paid for it) is the brake lights are more discernible if they don't share taillamp real estate with parking lights anyway. > > > All right, now that this has been x-posted... anyone know what the deal > > is with the fog light switch? PET6 only shows one number for the fog > > light switch > > Does your Porsche Elektro-teilekatalog cover worldwide models, or just > North American ones? > I have no idea; I DL'd it from the YooKay. No matter, I eventually ended up searching on eBay and found what I was looking for on one of the European sites. nate |
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Ulf wrote: > > Nate, why do you worry so much about how it is in Europe? Just wire it > up as you see fit, no one would care! Rear fog lights isn't even > something they check at safety inspections. Not to mention, when you use > them people hopefully won't be able to see which cluster is on anyway... I actually don't have to pass an inspection at all; the car was inspected when I bought it so it's good for as long as I own it. (Yeah, the state of MD is screwed up.) I just am kind of anal retentive about such things, there's no good reason why I do things just the way I do. Heck, it would be perfectly acceptable to hang an add-on under the bumper; I just don't like the look. No better reason than that nate |
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Ulf wrote: > > Nate, why do you worry so much about how it is in Europe? Just wire it > up as you see fit, no one would care! Rear fog lights isn't even > something they check at safety inspections. Not to mention, when you use > them people hopefully won't be able to see which cluster is on anyway... I actually don't have to pass an inspection at all; the car was inspected when I bought it so it's good for as long as I own it. (Yeah, the state of MD is screwed up.) I just am kind of anal retentive about such things, there's no good reason why I do things just the way I do. Heck, it would be perfectly acceptable to hang an add-on under the bumper; I just don't like the look. No better reason than that nate |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote:
> I'd rather not use dual filament bulbs if I can help it, my own opinion > (which is worth exactly what you paid for it) is the brake lights are > more discernible if they don't share taillamp real estate with parking > lights anyway. That's actually incorrect. The opposite case is true -- reaction to brake lights is quicker when they are combination brake/tail units. Your way (with P21 bulb) would also take away your sideward visibility of the taillamp/sidemarker, which is definitely a step backwards. If you're going to do it, do it right. DS |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote:
> I'd rather not use dual filament bulbs if I can help it, my own opinion > (which is worth exactly what you paid for it) is the brake lights are > more discernible if they don't share taillamp real estate with parking > lights anyway. That's actually incorrect. The opposite case is true -- reaction to brake lights is quicker when they are combination brake/tail units. Your way (with P21 bulb) would also take away your sideward visibility of the taillamp/sidemarker, which is definitely a step backwards. If you're going to do it, do it right. DS |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote:
> Ulf wrote: Y'know, Nate, I wouldn't have seen the latest repetition of Ulf's monotonous idiocy if you hadn't quoted it here. Killfiles and news filters are wonderful things. Of course there are excellent (and completely obvious) reasons not to follow his puerile advice to just "wire it up as you see fit". Too many people already behave like Ulf, treating their cars' safety equipment as playtoys. If everyone did it...! DS |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote:
> Ulf wrote: Y'know, Nate, I wouldn't have seen the latest repetition of Ulf's monotonous idiocy if you hadn't quoted it here. Killfiles and news filters are wonderful things. Of course there are excellent (and completely obvious) reasons not to follow his puerile advice to just "wire it up as you see fit". Too many people already behave like Ulf, treating their cars' safety equipment as playtoys. If everyone did it...! DS |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote: > > > I'd rather not use dual filament bulbs if I can help it, my own opinion > > (which is worth exactly what you paid for it) is the brake lights are > > more discernible if they don't share taillamp real estate with parking > > lights anyway. > > That's actually incorrect. The opposite case is true -- reaction to brake > lights is quicker when they are combination brake/tail units. Your way > (with P21 bulb) would also take away your sideward visibility of the > taillamp/sidemarker, which is definitely a step backwards. > > If you're going to do it, do it right. > > DS Any reason for that assertion? I'm not questioning you, but it seems counter-intuitive to me - it would seem on the face of it that a change of state from "off" to "bright" would be more noticeable than a change from "dim" to "bright." I realize we're digressing here, but I'd honestly like to understand... nate |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote: > > > I'd rather not use dual filament bulbs if I can help it, my own opinion > > (which is worth exactly what you paid for it) is the brake lights are > > more discernible if they don't share taillamp real estate with parking > > lights anyway. > > That's actually incorrect. The opposite case is true -- reaction to brake > lights is quicker when they are combination brake/tail units. Your way > (with P21 bulb) would also take away your sideward visibility of the > taillamp/sidemarker, which is definitely a step backwards. > > If you're going to do it, do it right. > > DS Any reason for that assertion? I'm not questioning you, but it seems counter-intuitive to me - it would seem on the face of it that a change of state from "off" to "bright" would be more noticeable than a change from "dim" to "bright." I realize we're digressing here, but I'd honestly like to understand... nate |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, N8N wrote:
> > reaction to brake lights is quicker when they are combination > > brake/tail units. Your way (with P21 bulb) would also take away your > > sideward visibility of the taillamp/sidemarker, which is definitely a > > step backwards. > Any reason for that assertion? Eyetracker research shows that observers' eyes "prime" on the taillamps and react faster when a taillamp they're already paying attention to gets 5x brighter, than they do when the taillamp stays the same and another red light comes on in a different location. The amount of difference is fairly well related to the distance between the tail and brake functions, which means Volvo has got it wrong. |
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