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In article <1110487828.211c6013eff02f18205c06914f09b2e3@teran ews>,
Ignasi Palou-Rivera > wrote: > Then there were my grad school roommates not being too fond on me using > the handbrake to park the car at an angle when we got a lot of snow > around... Handbrake turns. :-) I can do these in a deserted wet carpark with two fingers on my other car, but nothing on the E39. And it's not down to the DSC, either. -- *Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Jeff, you forgot something - you don't HAVE a manual transmission 2-ton
car that develops over 300 lb-ft at 3000 rpm. Actually, I wasn't saying anything about my life being less simple because of the need to use the handbrake - it's actually SIMPLER, because of the handbrake. |
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"Ignasi Palou-Rivera" > wrote in message news:1110487828.211c6013eff02f18205c06914f09b2e3@t eranews... > "Dave Plowman (News)" > writes: >> In article >, >> Jeff Strickland > wrote: >>> Sorry, I have done all of those things. And I do them with out resorting >>> to using the handbrake. I just don't understand the problem, I have no >>> trouble drving my car in these condidions. I have to admit, I seldom >>> find myslef in these situations, except that the local supermarket >>> driveway is a relatively steep hill. But, I have no problem whenever I >>> do find myself in the situations you describe. Sorry that my life is so >>> simple. >> >> If you're saying you live in a flat part of the world, I'm not surprised >> you find the handbrake ok. > > For some strange "cultural" reason people here in the US are very > adverse to using the hand brake. (They even call it the parking > brake. Sheesh.) > > My own wife (American) freaks out when I used it to hold her car on > the ramp to move out of the underground garage in our building. She > feels more comfortable if I hold the car using the clutch! It doesn't make > sense. > > Then there were my grad school roommates not being too fond on me using > the handbrake to park the car at an angle when we got a lot of snow > around... > I hold my car with the BRAKES. I take my foot off the brake and place it on the gas, and go. What's the big deal? |
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Yes I do. Well, I don't know what the weight is, but the trans is a 5 spd. I
also drive a Jeep with a manual trans, and I stall it on VERY steep hills, and I have never used the manual brake as a hill holder. Ever. I am not even sure the manual brake on my Jeep works, but I don't care that it works or not, I never use it. "Michael Low" > wrote in message ups.com... > Jeff, you forgot something - you don't HAVE a manual transmission 2-ton > car that develops over 300 lb-ft at 3000 rpm. > > Actually, I wasn't saying anything about my life being less simple > because of the need to use the handbrake - it's actually SIMPLER, > because of the handbrake. > |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > Jeff Strickland > wrote: >> I am not a good source of discussion on using the parking brake as a >> hill holder because I can safely say that I never do that. I am sure I >> have done it a time or two while playing in my car, but I do not make it >> a practice. > > It's the recognised way of doing a hill start - as taught in the UK. Do it > any other way and you'd fail your driving test. > The only rule we have is that the vehicle can't roll backwards. I can start on a hill without rolling backwards and without using the parking brake as a hill holder. >> > Its use as an emergency brake became redundant after dual circuit >> > brakes came in. >> > >> > With an auto, the problem is not great. But with a manual, doing hill >> > starts on a steep hill would be a real pain. > >> Only for people that don't know how to drive. > > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc. > Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No. >> As I said, I never use the parking brake as a hill holder. > > Fine. You'll not find any authority on save driving who agrees with you. > And you're tacitly admitting the BMW handbrake isn't up to it. > I am admitting nothing of the sort. Indeed, I have repeatedly said that the parking brake is well suited to keep a stationary car stationary. That is all it is good for. If yo have to use to as a hill holder, it should work well. I don't need that kind of crutch. |
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In article >,
Jeff Strickland > wrote: > > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't > > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc. > > > Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No. I'm not quite sure how you can start a manual on a steep hill - without rolling back - and without either the handbrake or heel and toeing? -- *The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Jeff Strickland" > writes:
> I hold my car with the BRAKES. I take my foot off the brake and place > it on the gas, and go. What's the big deal? It is not a good method and it doesn't work in all circumstances, like extreme or slippery slopes. -- Ignasi. '90 325is (using SPAM trap e-mail address) |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" > writes:
> In article >, > Jeff Strickland > wrote: >> > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't >> > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc. >> > > >> Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No. > > > I'm not quite sure how you can start a manual on a steep hill - without > rolling back - and without either the handbrake or heel and toeing? If conditions are right, it's quite possible. If some thing is not (e.g. slightly slippery pedal) then it's a crapshot. -- Ignasi. '90 325is (using SPAM trap e-mail address) |
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In article <1110579186.aaaf9255617b3e5f06b4a46f5db1a904@teran ews>,
Ignasi Palou-Rivera > wrote: > >> > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't > >> > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc. > >> > > > > >> Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No. > > > > > > I'm not quite sure how you can start a manual on a steep hill - without > > rolling back - and without either the handbrake or heel and toeing? > If conditions are right, it's quite possible. If some thing is not > (e.g. slightly slippery pedal) then it's a crapshot. I suppose with many modern cars that control the idle via a stepping motor etc it won't stall if you let up the clutch while holding it on the footbrake, but it still goes against best driving practice to me. Of course, I learned to drive in a 28 bhp sidevalve Morris Minor, and such tricks were not an option. ;-) Indeed, my hill start during my driving test was on a 1 in 3 hill, where the car wouldn't pull anything above 1st gear. -- *I want it all and I want it delivered Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Isn't the "manual brake" in a Jeep a footbrake?
So what is the 5-speed manual that you say is an equivalent 2-ton car? |
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