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Old November 6th 03, 03:02 AM
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Would a 1 pound rock in my 29 gallon that isn't cured harm my water
conditions enough to worry about? It had some growth but that has fallen off
and the rock itself looks like its covered in white rotten looking stuff.

Also I have some ammonia in the tank should I do water changes just like I
would in a fresh water tank or is there something I could add that would
counter act the ammonia?

Thanks
Kelly


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Old November 6th 03, 06:11 AM
Steve \Srfmon\
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The question is what else is in the tank? If it is still cycling or if
there is nothing else in there then leave it in there. Also how much cured
LR do you have in there?
You should not have detectable ammonia in your tank if it is cycled &
there is sufficient filtration.
I'd skip the water changes that are a temp cure & give us more details so
that we can figure out why the ammonia is there in the first place.
Steve

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Would a 1 pound rock in my 29 gallon that isn't cured harm my water
conditions enough to worry about? It had some growth but that has fallen

off
and the rock itself looks like its covered in white rotten looking stuff.

Also I have some ammonia in the tank should I do water changes just like I
would in a fresh water tank or is there something I could add that would
counter act the ammonia?

Thanks
Kelly




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Old November 6th 03, 07:48 AM
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2 hermit crabs
1 sandsifter snail
1 horned snail
1 percula clown
1 coral
13lbs cured LR
3 lbs not cured (though 2 lbs of that seems to be almost cured its mainly
the small 1 lb piece that is bad)
50lbs argonite carib sand (1/2 sugar fine, 1/2 medium)

1 hang on back Regent 20-40 filter
1 hang on back Regent 10-20 filter with the protein skimmer attachment from
Hagen
1 power head JBJ Submersible pump sp1800

I have only fed the percula twice in the last 5 days in order to keep
anymore waste from entering the tank since he has only been in it for the 4
days so far and two of those were in
a bucket since I did an emergency tank swap due to a leak.


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Old November 6th 03, 05:37 PM
Steve \Srfmon\
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Get a bucket of Salt water (maybe after a water change) & put your
uncured rock in there until it's not stinky anymore. You might also have a
skimmer & a powerhead running on this bucket as well.
If your ammonia levels are still detectable after that then Get some
Nitro Max Marine to help speed along the cycling process in your tank. If it
is cycled some ammo-lock & a water change should help out some. Curing rock
in a tank with inverts is not a good idea.
Steve

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2 hermit crabs
1 sandsifter snail
1 horned snail
1 percula clown
1 coral
13lbs cured LR
3 lbs not cured (though 2 lbs of that seems to be almost cured its mainly
the small 1 lb piece that is bad)
50lbs argonite carib sand (1/2 sugar fine, 1/2 medium)

1 hang on back Regent 20-40 filter
1 hang on back Regent 10-20 filter with the protein skimmer attachment

from
Hagen
1 power head JBJ Submersible pump sp1800

I have only fed the percula twice in the last 5 days in order to keep
anymore waste from entering the tank since he has only been in it for the

4
days so far and two of those were in
a bucket since I did an emergency tank swap due to a leak.




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Old November 6th 03, 06:38 PM
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"Steve "Srfmon"" wrote in message
.. .
Get a bucket of Salt water (maybe after a water change) & put your
uncured rock in there until it's not stinky anymore. You might also have a
skimmer & a powerhead running on this bucket as well.
If your ammonia levels are still detectable after that then Get some
Nitro Max Marine to help speed along the cycling process in your tank. If

it
is cycled some ammo-lock & a water change should help out some. Curing

rock
in a tank with inverts is not a good idea.
Steve


You'll also need a heater in the bucket. You'll want to cure the rock under
conditions that are similar to conditions in the tank.

You will need the powerhead in the bucket. When I recured my rock, I didn't
do water heavy changes. I figured that everything that was dying & rotting
on my rock would help the bacteria recolonize the rock. So when I recured my
rock, I placed it in a 50g tub, added a couple of powerheads and a heater
and left it. After a week, I did a water change, then left the rock for
another week before putting it back in my tank. Worked great.

I do agree with Steve, don't cure rock in a tank that has invert or fish
life in it. It's a baaaad idea.

hth

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Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 lbs/6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Flame Angel, 1 Foxface.

20 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
31 lbs LR,
1 - 3-Striped damsel, 1 Blue Devil, 1 sm. Tang


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Old November 8th 03, 02:08 AM
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ok, brings me to a question.
i have a cycling system that developed a hair algae growth, decided to
switch substrate, semed to take off after i finally switched out to marine
sugar fine, 1/1/2 inches. been battling algea breakouts since, looking real
good at the moment on the battles after i gave up and took out biggest rock
and scribbed it down, and been picking the rest and siphoning, until late,
it seems slightly under control. I have cyano, redslime, maroon, hair,
green, brown, all going away, cluerpa(a pack of razorC, and a nice piece of
featherC attached to a LR)one yellow polyp farm, 2 mushrooms, one piece of
stony polyp, its not sharp edged like acropora, and it is pink and about 1
inch round knob on edge of rock. 11 hermies, 10 turbos, lots of cured,
growing, maturing LR, 60 g tank, 6g sump on biofiltration prerefugium.

i put two pieces of what i assume is aragonite rock in my tank about 3mos
ago, took out of 7 year unmaintaned blue danio frshwater habitat, scrubbed
thick green algae growth off them, accidentally soaked in TOOOOO much
bleach, then soaked in daily water changes of fresh water outside in the sun
for a week or two until the chlorine smell was gone, then i threw those
babies clean, freshly scrubbed, and rinse soaked for weeks brand new into my
tank with above mentioned parameters. to get an idea of how much rock were
talkin here, it was a bucket, with my crushed coral in there too, cc filled
about 2/3rds of bucket and rock was pushed into the substrate and stacked up
to the brim of the bucket. this new rock amounts to about atmost 1/4th of
the rock that is already cured, in the tank already.

could this be what caused the terrible bout of hairalgae breakout, or is
that breakout normal, and aside form that, is that ok what i did, putting
that much uncured rock into my system at that time? sounds like i may have
overdone it a little at that point.

by the way, thought my stonys died after finally tested phos and it was
1.0ppm, dropped it to .03ppm and got water params straightened out, and
Stonys came back lastnite!!!! havent seen them in a week, looked pale, and
gone, and half of them are back, more stretched out that when i got them, is
that a sure fire sign of good water? whoohoo! lol.
wolfhedd


"Harald" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

"Steve "Srfmon"" wrote in message
.. .
Get a bucket of Salt water (maybe after a water change) & put your
uncured rock in there until it's not stinky anymore. You might also have

a
skimmer & a powerhead running on this bucket as well.
If your ammonia levels are still detectable after that then Get some
Nitro Max Marine to help speed along the cycling process in your tank.

If
it
is cycled some ammo-lock & a water change should help out some. Curing

rock
in a tank with inverts is not a good idea.
Steve


You'll also need a heater in the bucket. You'll want to cure the rock

under
conditions that are similar to conditions in the tank.

You will need the powerhead in the bucket. When I recured my rock, I

didn't
do water heavy changes. I figured that everything that was dying & rotting
on my rock would help the bacteria recolonize the rock. So when I recured

my
rock, I placed it in a 50g tub, added a couple of powerheads and a heater
and left it. After a week, I did a water change, then left the rock for
another week before putting it back in my tank. Worked great.

I do agree with Steve, don't cure rock in a tank that has invert or fish
life in it. It's a baaaad idea.

hth

--
Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 lbs/6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Flame Angel, 1

Foxface.

20 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
31 lbs LR,
1 - 3-Striped damsel, 1 Blue Devil, 1 sm. Tang




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Old November 8th 03, 11:04 AM
Marc Levenson
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Stony corals prefer/thrive in pristine waters. Less PO4 and NO3, the better.
GHA needs to be nipped in the bud as quickly as possible, via manual removal and
a voracious cleanup crew.

Marc


wolfhedd wrote:

ok, brings me to a question.
i have a cycling system that developed a hair algae growth, decided to
switch substrate, semed to take off after i finally switched out to marine
sugar fine, 1/1/2 inches. been battling algea breakouts since, looking real
good at the moment on the battles after i gave up and took out biggest rock
and scribbed it down, and been picking the rest and siphoning, until late,
it seems slightly under control. I have cyano, redslime, maroon, hair,
green, brown, all going away, cluerpa(a pack of razorC, and a nice piece of
featherC attached to a LR)one yellow polyp farm, 2 mushrooms, one piece of
stony polyp, its not sharp edged like acropora, and it is pink and about 1
inch round knob on edge of rock. 11 hermies, 10 turbos, lots of cured,
growing, maturing LR, 60 g tank, 6g sump on biofiltration prerefugium.

i put two pieces of what i assume is aragonite rock in my tank about 3mos
ago, took out of 7 year unmaintaned blue danio frshwater habitat, scrubbed
thick green algae growth off them, accidentally soaked in TOOOOO much
bleach, then soaked in daily water changes of fresh water outside in the sun
for a week or two until the chlorine smell was gone, then i threw those
babies clean, freshly scrubbed, and rinse soaked for weeks brand new into my
tank with above mentioned parameters. to get an idea of how much rock were
talkin here, it was a bucket, with my crushed coral in there too, cc filled
about 2/3rds of bucket and rock was pushed into the substrate and stacked up
to the brim of the bucket. this new rock amounts to about atmost 1/4th of
the rock that is already cured, in the tank already.

could this be what caused the terrible bout of hairalgae breakout, or is
that breakout normal, and aside form that, is that ok what i did, putting
that much uncured rock into my system at that time? sounds like i may have
overdone it a little at that point.

by the way, thought my stonys died after finally tested phos and it was
1.0ppm, dropped it to .03ppm and got water params straightened out, and
Stonys came back lastnite!!!! havent seen them in a week, looked pale, and
gone, and half of them are back, more stretched out that when i got them, is
that a sure fire sign of good water? whoohoo! lol.
wolfhedd

"Harald" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

"Steve "Srfmon"" wrote in message
.. .
Get a bucket of Salt water (maybe after a water change) & put your
uncured rock in there until it's not stinky anymore. You might also have

a
skimmer & a powerhead running on this bucket as well.
If your ammonia levels are still detectable after that then Get some
Nitro Max Marine to help speed along the cycling process in your tank.

If
it
is cycled some ammo-lock & a water change should help out some. Curing

rock
in a tank with inverts is not a good idea.
Steve


You'll also need a heater in the bucket. You'll want to cure the rock

under
conditions that are similar to conditions in the tank.

You will need the powerhead in the bucket. When I recured my rock, I

didn't
do water heavy changes. I figured that everything that was dying & rotting
on my rock would help the bacteria recolonize the rock. So when I recured

my
rock, I placed it in a 50g tub, added a couple of powerheads and a heater
and left it. After a week, I did a water change, then left the rock for
another week before putting it back in my tank. Worked great.

I do agree with Steve, don't cure rock in a tank that has invert or fish
life in it. It's a baaaad idea.

hth

--
Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 lbs/6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Flame Angel, 1

Foxface.

20 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
31 lbs LR,
1 - 3-Striped damsel, 1 Blue Devil, 1 sm. Tang



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Old November 8th 03, 11:05 AM
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Oops, and heavy skimming. Clean the skimmer every 2 to 3 days for optimal
results, and it will starve your algae to its demise.

Marc




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Old November 8th 03, 06:21 PM
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ok ill do that. My GHA is 80 percent gone mostly to your advice and others,
much appreciated.
However, that last post was not a GHA question. It was a Curing Live Rock
question. Some of the questions i had was could that uncured rock caused
it, or could that uncured rock have caused anything else bad, or was what i
did ok, considering the ratios of cured VS uncured.

ok, another thing realized, newbie mistake, it finally clicked, and
realized last nite, that what i did (like 9 mos ago)is cycle a system with
uncured live rock, i had prob 75-100lbs of uncured rock(really it sat in a
FOWLR system for 10yrs harboring RedSlime or Maroon over 110% of surface for
Years at my moms house. I scrubbed them down to bare with freshwater and
bristle brush. used this rock for its Extreme beauty and shape)when i
started my cycle, now there Millions of Tube worms, Hard and Soft, multiple
colors, feather duster worms, etc... Could you consider that rock uncured?
i have about 5-10 smaller rocks that are cured and those look the best. See
what it was, is i didnt have the concept of cured and uncured rock. so did
i do wrong? Coralline sure took off on those uncured's also.

wolfhedd

"Marc Levenson" wrote in message
...
Oops, and heavy skimming. Clean the skimmer every 2 to 3 days for optimal
results, and it will starve your algae to its demise.

Marc




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Old December 5th 03, 05:31 AM
Dragon Slayer
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Could someone please explain just exactly what this means and how it is
accomplished?



curing LR???

it means to let the die off from transportation fully break down via the
nitrogen cycle.

its accomplished by putting the uncured rock into a tub/tank/bucket of water
and letting nature take its course. skimming and water changes help
preserve the life that remains on the rock. by keeping the
Ammonia/Nitrite/Nitrate in check.

kc



 




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