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What about the new gas?
Fellow bussers: What about the new gas? I'm a little worried because I don't know how old iron mixes with the new gas. I've been buying regular gas without alcohol for my '67 bus with a super beetle engine ('67 carb). I wonder if someone will comment on how it will run on the newly mandated gasohol? Will I have to make any modifications - carb, plugs, timing? Should I maybe think about replacing the engine with one (single port, stock) that has been specially built for gas with alcohol for Washington State, not California? Thanks. And... Beep Beep |
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What about the new gas?
I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any
modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down). Enjoy....Dennis href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=32090944&f="Den's Dogs</a> href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=30209382&vt=vp">Den's 1977 Puma</a> |
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What about the new gas?
"Dennis Wik" > wrote in message
... > I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this > summer. Have you actually tried E-85 in your Puma yet? I'd be surprised if it ran at all with the stuff. |
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In article >, Dennis Wik
> wrote: > I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any > modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this > summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the > stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer > burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based > while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down). > Enjoy....Dennis > > href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=32090944&f="Den's > Dogs</a> > > href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=30209382&vt=vp">Den's > 1977 Puma</a> Those dogs SCARE me! But I'm sure they're very nice :-) Very nice. Nice doggies. Nice d...d... R_U_N F_O_R Y_O_U_R L_I_F_E! Here I am with my boss and my bus, two of the most important things in my life. I call the bus "The Frog." The cat's name is Scourge, the name of the ship's cat in "Far Side Of The World" (Patrick O'Brian), which I was reading when this abandoned/lost cat wandered up my road and took over. http://toutle.com/scourge.jpg Since we're sharing pictures: My '67 bus: http://toutle.com/041024_bus.jpg 2001 -- old engine must be replaced: http://toutle.com/0_old.jpg New engine, rescued from a'74 super beetle which had been wrecked many years before and was overgrown with grass and blackberry vines in a field. Compression was excellent, so it must have been wrecked shortly after a rebuild. I replaced the flywheel, generator, carburetor and bug muffler with same from the old engine, and performed a field modification to the transaxle (um, with a file) to allow the bolt behind the oil cooler to install: http://toutle.com/0_new.jpg It's in and ready to go: http://toutle.com/0_its_in.jpg Care must be taken to meditate and commiserate with one's ride after such a marriage between old bus and super beetle. http://toutle.com/041024_bus.jpg BTW, this engine started on the first turn of the key and is still in use now coming up on its fifth anniversary in late June. Zoom Zoom.... Beep Beep |
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"Dennis Wik" > wrote in message
... > > (Oil is carbon based while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down). > > .............Alcohol is also a carbon based molecule and petroleum is also an organic compound. All organic compounds are carbon based. ..........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used to grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of manufacture, distribution and sale to bring down the cost of e-gas at the pump. Without a modern engine management system that adjusts mixture based on the resistance value of an 02 sensor, carbureted engines in older cars will run too lean on it which usually results in loss of power and poor mileage. The fix for that is to re-jet the carb and increasing the compression ratio of the engine would help use this fuel more efficiently as well. This is all dependent on the concentration of ethanol vs gasoline in the blend.......E-85 which has 85% ethanol blended with 15% gasoline won't work in an older vehicle without going to a carburetor which can be jetted properly to run much richer than normal and also you would need to get rid of all natural rubber in the fuel system from the tank to the fuel pump's diaphragm to the boots on your 1600 DP's intake manifold. The other potential problem for e-gas in an older vehicle is the rust problem in the gas tank and steel gas line that can result from the water absorption property of ethanol. This might not be real big problem in an area where the climate is dry and humidity levels average less than what many of us see here in the eastern states. ........If all non-commercial vehicles were simply required to average at least 25 miles per gallon, you would solve the dependency on oil imports problem and get rid of a large portion of the emissions problem. I'd have to park 2 of my vehicles but I have 3 others that would satify that restriction easily. Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that weigh more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions. |
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The ever skeptical "Tim Rogers" emoted:
> .........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for > agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used to > grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into > alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of manufacture, > [...] Yup. So, we gotta get that Solyent Green program rolling! Then you would have to be REAL careful with your inflection when you ask, "Whatcha running in the tank, Grandpa?" |
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"Tim Rogers" > wrote in message Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that weigh > more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use > permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions. > > And those of us who use pickup trucks for work outside of our jobs....or tow race cars....or get loads of manure to fertilize our gardens...or pick up a pile of VW parts...or etc. Don't punish everyone just because of soccer moms, please. Sneaks '68 T1 |
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"Sneaks" > wrote in message
... > > And those of us who use pickup trucks for work outside of our jobs....or tow > race cars....or get loads of manure to fertilize our gardens...or pick up a > pile of VW parts...or etc. > Don't punish everyone just because of soccer moms, please. > > ............Your concerns are reasonable. My simplistic suggestion would need a lot of examination of course and maybe get scrapped altogether. I have towed a notchback sedan for 300 miles in the past with an Altima and loaded it up with bags of gardening supplies on other occasions. Towing a large boat or a race car is a problem for a small vehicle though. ......There are too many Americans riding around in 15 mpg vehicles with no apparent need to do so. The strain on the environment and the dependency on crackpot regimes in places like Venezuela is the result of this self indulgent lifestyle. The parking lot where I work is full of Tahoes, 4Runners, F-150's, Silverados, Navigators, etc., etc. Almost none of them are carpooling. Just driving around to work and home again in gigantic gas guzzlers while bitching about $3/gallon gasoline. It's just too stupid. I'd like to see a refinery built nearby here just to see some of them start crusading against what they themselves are actually causing. |
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Okay, then, it sounds as if I'll be able to run a blend of maybe 15% to 25% alcohol/gasoline without doing any mods? The carb is easy enough to re-jet. Any suggestions on which size to use? Thanks, Dennis and Tim, for your comments. I wonder if there's a way to remove alcohol or most of it from an alcohol/gasoline blend? Distillation? Settling? Filtration? Then I can put the gas into the VW and drink the alcohol. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= In article >, Tim Rogers > wrote: > "Dennis Wik" > wrote in message > ... > > I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any > > modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this > > summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the > > stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer > > burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based > > while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down). > > Enjoy....Dennis > > > > > > > ............Alcohol is also a carbon based molecule and petroleum is also an > organic compound. All organic compounds are carbon based. > > .........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for > agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used to > grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into > alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of manufacture, > distribution and sale to bring down the cost of e-gas at the pump. Without a > modern engine management system that adjusts mixture based on the resistance > value of an 02 sensor, carbureted engines in older cars will run too lean on > it which usually results in loss of power and poor mileage. The fix for that > is to re-jet the carb and increasing the compression ratio of the engine > would help use this fuel more efficiently as well. This is all dependent on > the concentration of ethanol vs gasoline in the blend.......E-85 which has > 85% ethanol blended with 15% gasoline won't work in an older vehicle without > going to a carburetor which can be jetted properly to run much richer than > normal and also you would need to get rid of all natural rubber in the fuel > system from the tank to the fuel pump's diaphragm to the boots on your 1600 > DP's intake manifold. The other potential problem for e-gas in an older > vehicle is the rust problem in the gas tank and steel gas line that can > result from the water absorption property of ethanol. This might not be real > big problem in an area where the climate is dry and humidity levels average > less than what many of us see here in the eastern states. > > .......If all non-commercial vehicles were simply required to average at > least 25 miles per gallon, you would solve the dependency on oil imports > problem and get rid of a large portion of the emissions problem. I'd have to > park 2 of my vehicles but I have 3 others that would satify that restriction > easily. Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that weigh > more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use > permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions. |
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"beep_beep" > wrote in message ... > > Okay, then, it sounds as if I'll be able to run a blend of maybe 15% to > 25% alcohol/gasoline without doing any mods? The carb is easy enough > to re-jet. Any suggestions on which size to use? > > Thanks, Dennis and Tim, for your comments. > > I wonder if there's a way to remove alcohol or most of it from an > alcohol/gasoline blend? Distillation? Settling? Filtration? Then I > can put the gas into the VW and drink the alcohol. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > In article >, Tim Rogers > > wrote: > >> "Dennis Wik" > wrote in message >> ... >> > I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any >> > modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma >> > this >> > summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the >> > stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer >> > burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based >> > while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down). >> > Enjoy....Dennis >> >> > >> > >> >> ............Alcohol is also a carbon based molecule and petroleum is also >> an >> organic compound. All organic compounds are carbon based. >> >> .........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for >> agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used >> to >> grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into >> alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of >> manufacture, >> distribution and sale to bring down the cost of e-gas at the pump. >> Without a >> modern engine management system that adjusts mixture based on the >> resistance >> value of an 02 sensor, carbureted engines in older cars will run too lean >> on >> it which usually results in loss of power and poor mileage. The fix for >> that >> is to re-jet the carb and increasing the compression ratio of the engine >> would help use this fuel more efficiently as well. This is all dependent >> on >> the concentration of ethanol vs gasoline in the blend.......E-85 which >> has >> 85% ethanol blended with 15% gasoline won't work in an older vehicle >> without >> going to a carburetor which can be jetted properly to run much richer >> than >> normal and also you would need to get rid of all natural rubber in the >> fuel >> system from the tank to the fuel pump's diaphragm to the boots on your >> 1600 >> DP's intake manifold. The other potential problem for e-gas in an older >> vehicle is the rust problem in the gas tank and steel gas line that can >> result from the water absorption property of ethanol. This might not be >> real >> big problem in an area where the climate is dry and humidity levels >> average >> less than what many of us see here in the eastern states. >> >> .......If all non-commercial vehicles were simply required to average at >> least 25 miles per gallon, you would solve the dependency on oil imports >> problem and get rid of a large portion of the emissions problem. I'd have >> to >> park 2 of my vehicles but I have 3 others that would satify that >> restriction >> easily. Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that >> weigh >> more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use >> permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions. |
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