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Old November 14th 04, 09:17 PM
mike gray
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Default Bendix ABS-10

Just picked up a 92 Caravan for a hauler. Looks and drives pretty good.
Then discovered the brake booster runs almost constantly and is blowing
back through the reservoir. The dreaded Bendix ABS-10. 115k miles.
Google search not much help...

1. self-replacement - any tips, sources for new units?

2. what are dealers getting for replacement these days?

3. what leverage do I have with dealers, given recalls/lawsuits/blahblah

tia
m

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  #2  
Old November 14th 04, 09:45 PM
maxpower
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The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS
assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and
the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston
assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall
part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the
brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay
for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter
and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle,
those 2 parts along are about $200.00
good luck
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> Just picked up a 92 Caravan for a hauler. Looks and drives pretty good.
> Then discovered the brake booster runs almost constantly and is blowing
> back through the reservoir. The dreaded Bendix ABS-10. 115k miles.
> Google search not much help...
>
> 1. self-replacement - any tips, sources for new units?
>
> 2. what are dealers getting for replacement these days?
>
> 3. what leverage do I have with dealers, given recalls/lawsuits/blahblah
>
> tia
> m
>



  #3  
Old November 14th 04, 09:45 PM
maxpower
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The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS
assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and
the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston
assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall
part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the
brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay
for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter
and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle,
those 2 parts along are about $200.00
good luck
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> Just picked up a 92 Caravan for a hauler. Looks and drives pretty good.
> Then discovered the brake booster runs almost constantly and is blowing
> back through the reservoir. The dreaded Bendix ABS-10. 115k miles.
> Google search not much help...
>
> 1. self-replacement - any tips, sources for new units?
>
> 2. what are dealers getting for replacement these days?
>
> 3. what leverage do I have with dealers, given recalls/lawsuits/blahblah
>
> tia
> m
>



  #4  
Old November 15th 04, 05:14 PM
mike gray
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maxpower wrote:
> The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS
> assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and
> the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
> system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston
> assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall
> part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
> accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the
> brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay
> for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter
> and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle,
> those 2 parts along are about $200.00
> good luck
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech


Thanks.

I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?

  #5  
Old November 15th 04, 05:14 PM
mike gray
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maxpower wrote:
> The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS
> assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and
> the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
> system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston
> assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall
> part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
> accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the
> brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay
> for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter
> and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle,
> those 2 parts along are about $200.00
> good luck
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech


Thanks.

I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?

  #6  
Old November 16th 04, 07:25 AM
Ted Mittelstaedt
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"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete

ABS
> > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is

bad)and
> > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
> > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the

piston
> > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also

recall
> > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
> > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit

the
> > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does

pay
> > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side

filter
> > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the

vehicle,
> > those 2 parts along are about $200.00
> > good luck
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

>
> Thanks.
>
> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
>


You really need to take this to the dealer. Ever since the lifetime
warranty/recall
came out on that system, when people have had problems they have taken them
to
the dealers. As a result the independents seldom see them anymore. In fact
the
secondary market is flooded with bendix 10 manuals. The recall has also
killed the
reman/rebuild market for these.

In all liklihood, by the time you add in the credits that the warranty gives
you,
and subtract the usual overcharging over an independent that the dealer
does,
the cost to have a dealer fix it is probably going to be a wash with that of
an
independent anyway. (if the system wasn't warrantied and you took it to an
independent, that is)

Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS
system
problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience
with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you
bought,
unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price.

Ted


  #7  
Old November 16th 04, 07:25 AM
Ted Mittelstaedt
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"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete

ABS
> > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is

bad)and
> > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
> > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the

piston
> > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also

recall
> > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
> > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit

the
> > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does

pay
> > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side

filter
> > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the

vehicle,
> > those 2 parts along are about $200.00
> > good luck
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

>
> Thanks.
>
> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
>


You really need to take this to the dealer. Ever since the lifetime
warranty/recall
came out on that system, when people have had problems they have taken them
to
the dealers. As a result the independents seldom see them anymore. In fact
the
secondary market is flooded with bendix 10 manuals. The recall has also
killed the
reman/rebuild market for these.

In all liklihood, by the time you add in the credits that the warranty gives
you,
and subtract the usual overcharging over an independent that the dealer
does,
the cost to have a dealer fix it is probably going to be a wash with that of
an
independent anyway. (if the system wasn't warrantied and you took it to an
independent, that is)

Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS
system
problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience
with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you
bought,
unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price.

Ted


  #8  
Old November 16th 04, 03:38 PM
mike gray
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS
> system
> problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience
> with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you
> bought,
> unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price.
>
> Ted


Yer right.

But I'm an old dog (can't be taught new tricks) and haven't yet learned
that the days of pulling a wet master cylinder and rebuilding it at home
is no longer an option.

  #9  
Old November 16th 04, 03:38 PM
mike gray
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS
> system
> problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience
> with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you
> bought,
> unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price.
>
> Ted


Yer right.

But I'm an old dog (can't be taught new tricks) and haven't yet learned
that the days of pulling a wet master cylinder and rebuilding it at home
is no longer an option.

  #10  
Old November 16th 04, 11:19 PM
maxpower
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If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete

ABS
> > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is

bad)and
> > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the
> > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the

piston
> > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also

recall
> > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the
> > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit

the
> > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does

pay
> > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side

filter
> > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the

vehicle,
> > those 2 parts along are about $200.00
> > good luck
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

>
> Thanks.
>
> I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the
> whole unit to get it replaced under warantee?
>



 




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