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Will TDI ever be available CA, NY, MA, ME?
Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model
year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego, I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not here in central California. |
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"lgcharlot" > wrote in message
m... > Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model > year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in > 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost > $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego, > I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but > don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has > had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long > time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been > told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the > two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that > I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not > here in central California. I think it requires the low-sulphur fuel which I don't think arrives for at least another year or two. yes you can buy a TDI in a neighboring state but I think California has managed to make it difficult by requiring that the car have 7500 miles on it before it's considered "used" and you can bring it in w/o trouble. You might have to find a friend in another state who will let you use his/her address to register the car for the first year there while you rack up some miles and then you later "move" to California. |
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No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif
Emissions Certified. Should you try and get around your Calif residency, you will need to be a cash buyer, as financing will be impossible to obtain, and you will need an out of state residence address to use. In addition, you would get the double hit for sales taxes, as Calif will come after you for the 7.xx% upon bringing a car from out of state. You can bring in a used TDI, that has over 7500 miles on the odometer and save the depreciation hit as well, as well as paying only for Calif taxes. "lgcharlot" > wrote in message m... > Has anyone heard if the TDI will be available in the upcoming model > year (2005) in the 5 or 6 states that it's been "not available" in > 2003/2004? In particular California? With fuel prices averaging almost > $2.5/gal in some parts of the state, like the Bay Area and San Diego, > I've got to get something with the best possible fuel economy, but > don't want to go "hybrid" (Prius/Insight) until that technology has > had a few more years to mature. The TDI engine has been around a long > time and the Golf seems like a nice enough car, although I have been > told that it's no longer available with the diesel engine in the > two-door version (which I would prefer). It's maddening to know that > I can buy a TDI just 130 miles away in Carson City, Nevada, but not > here in central California. |
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In article > , Larry > wrote: >No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif >Emissions Certified. _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are shipped to California. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQY/NK2TWTAjn5N/lAQGyqAQAr/qhSojKASiACMKkdMd1uVFImMU1hwBn 6RuhqKpUWWd/Gd2pzJanboSvnKJGVZVmCM5QqnRN6Ooc83nNvhR1fEfKa4cVEp at 8KgLwt0p4I+EDEqiRrCAbcbgrUtPW7w0tNvcFLql1Vot+MbImf zEhK0dRP64Bjnt rHhReiAywhw= =SYE5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Booker C. Bense wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In article > , > Larry > wrote: > >>No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif >>Emissions Certified. > > > _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they > have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and > California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more > money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and > meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are > shipped to California. According to vw.com, neither 1.9 TDI nor V10 TDI models are available in CA, NY, MA, VT, or ME. -- Mike Smith |
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Mike Smith wrote: > Booker C. Bense wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> In article > , >> Larry > wrote: >> >>> No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif >>> Emissions Certified. >> >> >> >> _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they >> have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and >> California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more >> money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and >> meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are >> shipped to California. > > > According to vw.com, neither 1.9 TDI nor V10 TDI models are available in > CA, NY, MA, VT, or ME. Though, not due to government regulations. If the car is 50-state compliant, you can haul it in and drive it with a few hundred dollars in state-to-state transfer fees. Las Vegas is a good place to look - tons of used and new TDIs and a short drive to California. |
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Joseph Oberlander wrote: <snip> > > According to vw.com, neither 1.9 TDI nor V10 TDI models are available in > > CA, NY, MA, VT, or ME. > > Though, not due to government regulations. If the car is 50-state > compliant, you can haul it in and drive it with a few hundred > dollars in state-to-state transfer fees. And that is just the thing, TDIs are not 50 state compliant. You could haul a 2004 TDI to California and you could drive it there, but you can not register it there as a new vehicle. This is not because diesels are banned in CA or the other states mentioned, these states just hold diesel cars to emission standards they can't meet, at least not with the diesel fuel currently available. |
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"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message link.net... > > > Mike Smith wrote: > >> Booker C. Bense wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> >>> In article > , >>> Larry > wrote: >>> >>>> No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif >>>> Emissions Certified. >>> >>> >>> >>> _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they >>> have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and >>> California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more >>> money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and >>> meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are >>> shipped to California. >> >> >> According to vw.com, neither 1.9 TDI nor V10 TDI models are available in >> CA, NY, MA, VT, or ME. > > Though, not due to government regulations. If the car is 50-state > compliant, you can haul it in and drive it with a few hundred > dollars in state-to-state transfer fees. > > Las Vegas is a good place to look - tons of used and new TDIs > and a short drive to California. There is no VW that is 50 state compliant. For those of us that live in Calif or the NE states, there is a $150 emissions charge on any new VW model or engine option. VW's meet federal emission standards, which is different than 50 state emissions standards. I also believe that the reason the diesels are not emissions certified, is that Calif and the NE states are waiting for new regulations on diesel fuel quality to take effect in the next year or so. |
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Typical California logic... How is a car going to pollute any less
once it has 7500 miles on it?? There have to be some REAL geniuses running that state... I keep hoping for the day that an earthquake causes the entire state to break off and float away... Booker C. Bense <bbense+rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled.Nov.08.04@ telemark.slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message >... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In article > , > Larry > wrote: > >No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif > >Emissions Certified. > > _ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they > have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and > California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more > money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and > meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are > shipped to California. > > _ Booker C. Bense > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBQY/NK2TWTAjn5N/lAQGyqAQAr/qhSojKASiACMKkdMd1uVFImMU1hwBn > 6RuhqKpUWWd/Gd2pzJanboSvnKJGVZVmCM5QqnRN6Ooc83nNvhR1fEfKa4cVEp at > 8KgLwt0p4I+EDEqiRrCAbcbgrUtPW7w0tNvcFLql1Vot+MbImf zEhK0dRP64Bjnt > rHhReiAywhw= > =SYE5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Tony Kimmell wrote:
> Typical California logic... How is a car going to pollute any less > once it has 7500 miles on it?? There have to be some REAL geniuses > running that state... Indeed. Cali has boutique gas formu's, too - in NoCal the stuff is refined literally 15 miles away, and when we lived in SoCal they were even pumping some it right there in the basin. Still, prices are near $.50 above everywhere else b/c of the silly laws. > > I keep hoping for the day that an earthquake causes the entire state > to break off and float away... I would love that. Just moved to Yuma, Arizona, and I dearly miss the ocean!! rgds Joel > > > Booker C. Bense <bbense+rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled.Nov.08.04@ telemark.slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message >... > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>In article > , >>Larry > wrote: >> >>>No...you can't bring in a "new" TDI to Calif, as the car is not Calif >>>Emissions Certified. >> >>_ That's nonsense. They were available in 2002. The reason they >>have largely disappeared from California lots is the Toureg and >>California's fleet pollution regulations. VW makes a lot more >>money on Touregs than TDI Golfs. But they can't sell both and >>meet the fleet polution standards, so very few TDI's if any are >>shipped to California. >> >>_ Booker C. Bense >> >> >> >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: 2.6.2 >> >>iQCVAwUBQY/NK2TWTAjn5N/lAQGyqAQAr/qhSojKASiACMKkdMd1uVFImMU1hwBn >>6RuhqKpUWWd/Gd2pzJanboSvnKJGVZVmCM5QqnRN6Ooc83nNvhR1fEfKa4cVEp at >>8KgLwt0p4I+EDEqiRrCAbcbgrUtPW7w0tNvcFLql1Vot+MbI mfzEhK0dRP64Bjnt >>rHhReiAywhw= >>=SYE5 >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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