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Old March 17th 05, 10:37 PM
Dinsdale
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"DevilPaul" > wrote in
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> "Dinsdale" > wrote in message
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>> Has the body shop verified that the unibody is within spec?

>
> Hmmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by that. This is the first time I've
> ever been in an accident so I'm a little, uh, naive.
>



The unibody is the main structure of the car...less the front fenders,
hood, doors, decklid (basically the stuff that's bolted on).
The suspension is bolted to the unibody....if the unibody is bent, those
mounting points have moved in relation to each other and alignment may be
impossible.

Now, why the alignment shops say that subframe connectors are the reason
an alignment can't be done is beyond me because they shouldn't be in the
way. The alignment shops should have found if some parts (the lower
control arms...tie-rods...etc) were bent.

As others have said in this thread...the body shop needs to confirm if
the unibody is straight. (if it's a collision repair shop it should have
a frame jig to check it) If they don't check it, they may be giving you
an unsafe car.

If they say the unibody is straight...tell them to check the k-member
(even though it should be part of the unibody checking)...the front
suspension/steering/brakes are bolted to this and it's bolted to the
unibody.

Here's a pic of an aftermarket k-member...it's the blue thing.
http://mustanglife.tenmagazines.com/...aine/77928.jpg




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  #12  
Old March 17th 05, 10:59 PM
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Off the subject but...

There is not a "35th Anniversary" edition V6 mustang, all '99 Mustangs wore
a 35th Anniversary badge. The official "35th Anniversary" Mustang's are all
GT's. They were a special edition with a hood scoop, stripes, rear trunk
panel, shifter handle, and a few other things to set them apart from other
GT's.
--
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
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"DevilPaul" > wrote in message
...
I have a 1999 3.8L V6 convertible "35th Anniversary" Mustang that I bought
used in 2000 with 17,000 miles on it. Back in late January I got into an
accident and my car wound up bouncing off of a guard rail on the drivers
side. Here's my problem - I brought it to a local body shop who contracted
the alignment out to a Midas. Well, the Midas guys called me up and said the
alignment couldn't be done without customizing the car. The issue? Subframe
supports on the bottom of the car. There are 2 that run parallel with the
body on both sides and one large one underneath the engine. I did not put
these on and I highly doubt that the previous owner did as that was a rental
car company. The Midas refused to do the alignment and then the body shop
owner contracted the job to a Monroe Muffler who also refused to do it. I
got my car back on Monday and the alignment still isn't done. I can tell
it's out of whack and I'm taking it to a Ford dealer on Friday to get the
alignment done with the body shop footing the bill. Does anyone know if
these subframes are OEM? I don't see how they wouldn't be as it's a
convertible car and it would make sense to have them to keep down body flex.

--
Paul


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Old March 17th 05, 11:59 PM
Brent P
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In article >, Dinsdale wrote:

> Now, why the alignment shops say that subframe connectors are the reason
> an alignment can't be done is beyond me because they shouldn't be in the
> way. The alignment shops should have found if some parts (the lower
> control arms...tie-rods...etc) were bent.


My guess is it's just another stupid corporate-lawyer-lawsuit-exposure
thing combined with general stupidity.

1) they won't touch cars with modified chasis/suspension.
2) they don't know mustang verts have subframe connectors and the brace
stock from the factory and think it's a mod.


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Old March 18th 05, 01:20 AM
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Ummm....seems to me if it wears the badge, which it does, then it's a
"35th Anniversary" edition . You (WraithCobra) are referring to the
"35th Anniversary Special Edition" Mustang GT, which was the package
beyond the badge .

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things

  #15  
Old March 18th 05, 02:56 AM
WraithCobra
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Yea, but there are people out there that try to pass them off to
unsuspecting buyers as a special edition becuse of a 35th Anniversary badge.
I'm partial to special edition Mustangs since I've owned two, my current
10th Anniversary Cobra which is 1 of 2003 (1 of 257 in Silver) and before
this 1 of 3091 '00 Spring Feature GT's which was more rare at only 252* in
Black. *I can't remember actual number off the top of my head but I do know
it was more rare.
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wrote:
> Ummm....seems to me if it wears the badge, which it does, then it's a
> "35th Anniversary" edition . You (WraithCobra) are referring to the
> "35th Anniversary Special Edition" Mustang GT, which was the package
> beyond the badge .
>
> Dan
> 2003 Cobra convertible
> With some stuff and things



  #16  
Old March 18th 05, 06:04 AM
Michael Seeley
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02 GT vert and 03 Cobra vert have factory subframes, I would assume the V-6
would be the same for that body style
"DevilPaul" > wrote in message
news
> "Dinsdale" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Has the body shop verified that the unibody is within spec?

>
> Hmmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by that. This is the first time I've
> ever been in an accident so I'm a little, uh, naive.
>
> --
> Paul
>
>



  #17  
Old March 18th 05, 06:08 AM
Michael Seeley
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Ok, I really don't think he was concerned with the anniversary badge just
the subframe. Which I believe was OEM in 99 regardless of the Badge. If you
are the Guru you claim, ATFQ
"WraithCobra" > wrote in message
...
> Off the subject but...
>
> There is not a "35th Anniversary" edition V6 mustang, all '99 Mustangs
> wore
> a 35th Anniversary badge. The official "35th Anniversary" Mustang's are
> all
> GT's. They were a special edition with a hood scoop, stripes, rear trunk
> panel, shifter handle, and a few other things to set them apart from other
> GT's.
> --
> Mike
> Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
> ---
>
> "DevilPaul" > wrote in message
> ...
> I have a 1999 3.8L V6 convertible "35th Anniversary" Mustang that I bought
> used in 2000 with 17,000 miles on it. Back in late January I got into an
> accident and my car wound up bouncing off of a guard rail on the drivers
> side. Here's my problem - I brought it to a local body shop who contracted
> the alignment out to a Midas. Well, the Midas guys called me up and said
> the
> alignment couldn't be done without customizing the car. The issue?
> Subframe
> supports on the bottom of the car. There are 2 that run parallel with the
> body on both sides and one large one underneath the engine. I did not put
> these on and I highly doubt that the previous owner did as that was a
> rental
> car company. The Midas refused to do the alignment and then the body shop
> owner contracted the job to a Monroe Muffler who also refused to do it. I
> got my car back on Monday and the alignment still isn't done. I can tell
> it's out of whack and I'm taking it to a Ford dealer on Friday to get the
> alignment done with the body shop footing the bill. Does anyone know if
> these subframes are OEM? I don't see how they wouldn't be as it's a
> convertible car and it would make sense to have them to keep down body
> flex.
>
> --
> Paul
>
>



  #18  
Old March 18th 05, 09:11 PM
WraithCobra
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Michael Seeley wrote:
> Ok, I really don't think he was concerned with the anniversary badge
> just the subframe. Which I believe was OEM in 99 regardless of the
> Badge. If you are the Guru you claim, ATFQ


I didn't "claim" to be anything. I only stated a fact that some people might
not know. And yes, as someone else answered before I made my off subject
post, the '99 Verts had factory bolt on subframes.
--
Mike
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  #19  
Old March 18th 05, 09:16 PM
WraithCobra
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WraithCobra wrote:
> Michael Seeley wrote:
>> Ok, I really don't think he was concerned with the anniversary badge
>> just the subframe. Which I believe was OEM in 99 regardless of the
>> Badge. If you are the Guru you claim, ATFQ

>
> I didn't "claim" to be anything. I only stated a fact that some
> people might not know. And yes, as someone else answered before I
> made my off subject post, the '99 Verts had factory bolt on subframes.


And BTW, FOUAH.......


  #20  
Old March 18th 05, 11:26 PM
DevilPaul
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"Dinsdale" > wrote in message
...
> The unibody is the main structure of the car...less the front fenders,
> hood, doors, decklid (basically the stuff that's bolted on).
> The suspension is bolted to the unibody....if the unibody is bent, those
> mounting points have moved in relation to each other and alignment may be
> impossible.
>
> Now, why the alignment shops say that subframe connectors are the reason
> an alignment can't be done is beyond me because they shouldn't be in the
> way. The alignment shops should have found if some parts (the lower
> control arms...tie-rods...etc) were bent.
>
> As others have said in this thread...the body shop needs to confirm if
> the unibody is straight. (if it's a collision repair shop it should have
> a frame jig to check it) If they don't check it, they may be giving you
> an unsafe car.
>
> If they say the unibody is straight...tell them to check the k-member
> (even though it should be part of the unibody checking)...the front
> suspension/steering/brakes are bolted to this and it's bolted to the
> unibody.
>
> Here's a pic of an aftermarket k-member...it's the blue thing.
> http://mustanglife.tenmagazines.com/...aine/77928.jpg


Thanks for the info Dinsdale, it's definitely appreciated. The unibody on
the car is straight. All of the damage I had as cosmetic and I only bumped
the guard rail at around 15 - 20MPH. I had the car taken to a Ford dealer
and aligned.

--
Paul


 




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