3 speed Dodge Ram Van oil consumption

maxpower wrote:
> you said>>>>The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If
> your

No. I said that **based on *his* assumption of the same quantity of oil
being lost for each revolution regardless of engine speed** that the
consumption per mile would be the same (for my assumption of same gearing).

I did not say that I agreed with his assumption of engine speed being
irrelevant - I just said that, **given his assumption** (of same amount
of oil per revoultion) that it (engine speed) would be irrelevant.

I covered myself in that same post in my very last sentence (becuase I
figured someone would misinterpret what I was saying to mean that I
agreed with his statement that oil lost was independent of engine speed)
by saying: "Not saying I agree or disagree with your conclusions -
just want to be sure you understand the end result of what **you're**
saying." (emphasis added)

And to reiterate - I did make the mistake of not seeing that he was
talking about varying the gearing, but that's all.

Bill Putney
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maxpower wrote:

> you said>>>>The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If
> your
>
>>>>>>>engine "consumed" (or lost) 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles, you either
>>>>>>>have a whipped engine or a large leak.
>
> Either I missed the first thread or the engine size was never posted.

Ah - on second reading, I see the problem. Some of the attributions got
stripped out as the thread progressed. What you quoted above are not my
words - they are Daniel Stern's. Not saying I agree or disagree, but
those are not my words. (This is not the same as saying "I voted for
the appropriations before I voted against them".) 8^)

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maxpower wrote:

> you said>>>>The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If
> your
>
>>>>>>>engine "consumed" (or lost) 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles, you either
>>>>>>>have a whipped engine or a large leak.
>
> Either I missed the first thread or the engine size was never posted.

Ah - on second reading, I see the problem. Some of the attributions got
stripped out as the thread progressed. What you quoted above are not my
words - they are Daniel Stern's. Not saying I agree or disagree, but
those are not my words. (This is not the same as saying "I voted for
the appropriations before I voted against them".) 8^)

Bill Putney
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adddress with the letter 'x')


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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:39:00 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern"
> wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, John Kunkel wrote:
>
>> > The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If your
>> > engine "consumed" (or lost) 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles, you either
>> > have a whipped engine or a large leak.
>>
>> Disagree, many vans had ridiculously low axle ratios and the absence of
>> OD would have the motor running at 3500+ rpm's at freeway speeds. A
>> tired motor will suck more oil at 3500 than it will at 1800.
>
>...and a non-tired engine will use no more oil at 3500 than at 1800.


Speaking from experience, you are wrong. I had a 350 that in normal
around town and commuting use would go 1000 miles on a quart. But if
I ran it on a high speed trip, even for only 200 miles (and assuming
it was probably already half a quart low to start) it would use nearly
another quart in that 200 miles. It was like that since I bought it
at 24,000 miles and it stayed exactly like that up till the time I
sold it at 124,000 miles.
--
Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts:

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . .
Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of
the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House
of Representatives, August 17, 1789

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:39:00 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern"
> wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, John Kunkel wrote:
>
>> > The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If your
>> > engine "consumed" (or lost) 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles, you either
>> > have a whipped engine or a large leak.
>>
>> Disagree, many vans had ridiculously low axle ratios and the absence of
>> OD would have the motor running at 3500+ rpm's at freeway speeds. A
>> tired motor will suck more oil at 3500 than it will at 1800.
>
>...and a non-tired engine will use no more oil at 3500 than at 1800.


Speaking from experience, you are wrong. I had a 350 that in normal
around town and commuting use would go 1000 miles on a quart. But if
I ran it on a high speed trip, even for only 200 miles (and assuming
it was probably already half a quart low to start) it would use nearly
another quart in that 200 miles. It was like that since I bought it
at 24,000 miles and it stayed exactly like that up till the time I
sold it at 124,000 miles.
--
Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts:

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . .
Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of
the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House
of Representatives, August 17, 1789

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:49:28 -0400, Matt Whiting
> wrote:

>Bob wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
>>>>news:Pine.GSO.4.58.0410071438280.16624@alumni. engin.umich.edu...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, John Kunkel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If your
>>>>>>>engine "consumed" (or lost) 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles, you either
>>>>>>>have a whipped engine or a large leak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Disagree, many vans had ridiculously low axle ratios and the absence of
>>>>>>OD would have the motor running at 3500+ rpm's at freeway speeds. A
>>>>>>tired motor will suck more oil at 3500 than it will at 1800.
>>>>>
>>>>>...and a non-tired engine will use no more oil at 3500 than at 1800.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But it will "get" tired at least twice as fast
>>>
>>>Not necessarily.
>>>
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> If everything else is equal it certainly well.
>
>Everything else isn't even close to equal. It is pretty well documented

Where could I see this documentation?


>that most wear occurs during startup, especially when the engine is
>cold. Running at twice the RPM doesn't yield even close to twice the
>rate of wear. The difference, in fact, may be virtually negligible.
>Cars that are run long periods at a time and not started all that often,
>especially cold starts, tend to have engines that last a LOT longer.
>
>
>Matt

--
Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts:

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . .
Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of
the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House
of Representatives, August 17, 1789

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:49:28 -0400, Matt Whiting
> wrote:

>Bob wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
>>>>news:Pine.GSO.4.58.0410071438280.16624@alumni. engin.umich.edu...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, John Kunkel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The engine speed is not connected with the oil consumption. If your
>>>>>>>engine "consumed" (or lost) 4 quarts of oil in 800 miles, you either
>>>>>>>have a whipped engine or a large leak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Disagree, many vans had ridiculously low axle ratios and the absence of
>>>>>>OD would have the motor running at 3500+ rpm's at freeway speeds. A
>>>>>>tired motor will suck more oil at 3500 than it will at 1800.
>>>>>
>>>>>...and a non-tired engine will use no more oil at 3500 than at 1800.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But it will "get" tired at least twice as fast
>>>
>>>Not necessarily.
>>>
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> If everything else is equal it certainly well.
>
>Everything else isn't even close to equal. It is pretty well documented

Where could I see this documentation?


>that most wear occurs during startup, especially when the engine is
>cold. Running at twice the RPM doesn't yield even close to twice the
>rate of wear. The difference, in fact, may be virtually negligible.
>Cars that are run long periods at a time and not started all that often,
>especially cold starts, tend to have engines that last a LOT longer.
>
>
>Matt

--
Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts:

"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . .
Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of
the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House
of Representatives, August 17, 1789

I would say yours is....The V10 and the deisel engine does not have the oil
consumption Technical Service Bulletin as the other engines Chrysler uses,
There fore it makes a difference.. you must be one of the guys that come
into a parts department and ask for an certain part without stating what
engine you have then complain because you got the wrong part !!!!
""""""" IOW, it doesn't make ANY difference which engine he has. Now which
is
> the dumbest post???""""" Yours is still the dumbest

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > i must say this is one of the dumbest posts i have ever read, does
anyone no
> > what engine the vehicle has????? i mean it does make a big difference!!!
>
>
>
> Its a 96 Ram 250. It can have one of 3 different engines (3.9, 5.2,
> 5.9), and the vast majority of Ram 250's had ONE of those engines (5.9)
> and I'll wager that somewhere between "none" and .1% had the 3.9. All 3
> engines are the same family, same overall design. 2 of them even use
> exactly the same pistons and rings (3.9 and 5.2), all 3 use the same
> design cylinder heads and intake manifolds.
>
> IOW, it doesn't make ANY difference which engine he has. Now which is
> the dumbest post???
>
>

I would say yours is....The V10 and the deisel engine does not have the oil
consumption Technical Service Bulletin as the other engines Chrysler uses,
There fore it makes a difference.. you must be one of the guys that come
into a parts department and ask for an certain part without stating what
engine you have then complain because you got the wrong part !!!!
""""""" IOW, it doesn't make ANY difference which engine he has. Now which
is
> the dumbest post???""""" Yours is still the dumbest

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > i must say this is one of the dumbest posts i have ever read, does
anyone no
> > what engine the vehicle has????? i mean it does make a big difference!!!
>
>
>
> Its a 96 Ram 250. It can have one of 3 different engines (3.9, 5.2,
> 5.9), and the vast majority of Ram 250's had ONE of those engines (5.9)
> and I'll wager that somewhere between "none" and .1% had the 3.9. All 3
> engines are the same family, same overall design. 2 of them even use
> exactly the same pistons and rings (3.9 and 5.2), all 3 use the same
> design cylinder heads and intake manifolds.
>
> IOW, it doesn't make ANY difference which engine he has. Now which is
> the dumbest post???
>
>

AZGuy wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:49:28 -0400, Matt Whiting
> > wrote:
>

>>Everything else isn't even close to equal. It is pretty well documented
>
>
> Where could I see this documentation?

Yahoo, Google, etc. with these keywords: most engine wear occurs start


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