GT - Fuel consumption

I know its an ALFA and fuel consumptions do not really come into it, but my
156 2.0 TS never did worst than 26mpg whatever the type of driving.
I am interested if anyone with a 2.0 JTS GT has any fuel consumption figures
to compare. Well mine has 1600miles on the clock , so far I make it doing 22
mpg or in ALFA figures 12 litres x 100 km. Perhaps they put a 3.2 engine in
by mistake? Does it improve with age? The dealer says all setup is fine and
nothing shows on the faithful EXAMINER, I reckon it wouldn't show a fault if
the engine was missing. Any thoughts welcome.

PS: Great car, looks and drive, but much different feel than my 156.

Robo wrote:
> I know its an ALFA and fuel consumptions do not really come into it, but my
> 156 2.0 TS never did worst than 26mpg whatever the type of driving.
> I am interested if anyone with a 2.0 JTS GT has any fuel consumption figures
> to compare. Well mine has 1600miles on the clock , so far I make it doing 22
> mpg or in ALFA figures 12 litres x 100 km. Perhaps they put a 3.2 engine in
> by mistake? Does it improve with age? The dealer says all setup is fine and
> nothing shows on the faithful EXAMINER, I reckon it wouldn't show a fault if
> the engine was missing. Any thoughts welcome.
>
> PS: Great car, looks and drive, but much different feel than my 156.
>
>

Hi,

Economy should improve with age, as the engine loosens up. A new engine
can sometimes be a bit tight. My JTS has loosened up alot in it's first
6000 miles, and the economy has improved with it. I think I'm getting
about 30mpg on average, or 330 miles out a 156 fuel tank.

It's a general thing that engines loosen up with time.
Normally after 5-10000 miles it will have it's "standard" (what ever that
may be) fuel use.
I'm into Alfa's since 1972 and all my Alfa's kept improving on fuel economy
until the day I sold them.
Even at 200.000km!!
Particulary the JTS engines have been a pain in the a** for Alfa in the
first 2 years. To large spread in the tolerances in the engine parts for the
(then) new technology engine.
Remember Alfa is the first to use the direct fuel injection the way they do;
going for extra performance rather than extra fuel economy as i.e.
Mitsubishi did (and completely failed b.t.w.)
This spread in tolerances resulted in 2 thing, a) oil consumption and lack
of power when tolerances were to large and b) very high internal friction
and wear and lack of power when the tolerances were to small.
The "fortunate" owners that caught an engine with all tolerance "in the
middle" (as per design specifications) had a ball; perfect power, perfect
feel yet a "normal" fule consumption for the power.
Many, many others that wern't that lucky all ended up with an under
performing engine/car and the fule economy wasen't that fine eather.
They solved this with the introduction of the 147/"new"156/GT so all JTS
engines now perform to spec.
Nevertheless, fuel economy is not the reason to buy Alfa's JTS because it
wasn't a design feature! That was power (in relation to engine size) which
in deed is quite remarkable for a non-turbo 2 litre engine (over 85HP per
litre!)
So just wait a while.

Question:
I am driving a 156SW now, and am waiting for my GT 2.0JTS.
What do you mean by "much different feel than my 156"?
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
Alfa red 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000) (soon: GT 2.0JTS)
Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4)

"Robo" <someone@somewhere> schreef in bericht
...
>I know its an ALFA and fuel consumptions do not really come into it, but my
>156 2.0 TS never did worst than 26mpg whatever the type of driving.
> I am interested if anyone with a 2.0 JTS GT has any fuel consumption
> figures to compare. Well mine has 1600miles on the clock , so far I make
> it doing 22 mpg or in ALFA figures 12 litres x 100 km. Perhaps they put a
> 3.2 engine in by mistake? Does it improve with age? The dealer says all
> setup is fine and nothing shows on the faithful EXAMINER, I reckon it
> wouldn't show a fault if the engine was missing. Any thoughts welcome.
>
> PS: Great car, looks and drive, but much different feel than my 156.
>

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:43:25 -0000, "Robo" <someone@somewhere>, wrote:

>PS: Great car, looks and drive, but much different feel than my 156.

Consumption of fuel is normally higher with a new engine.
So which one do you prefer the feeling of?
Is it a different preference on differing road circumstances?

Pete
--
>
156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)

"Robo" <someone@somewhere> wrote in message
...
>I know its an ALFA and fuel consumptions do not really come into it, but my
>156 2.0 TS never did worst than 26mpg whatever the type of driving.
> I am interested if anyone with a 2.0 JTS GT has any fuel consumption
> figures to compare. Well mine has 1600miles on the clock , so far I make
> it doing 22 mpg or in ALFA figures 12 litres x 100 km. Perhaps they put a
> 3.2 engine in by mistake? Does it improve with age? The dealer says all
> setup is fine and nothing shows on the faithful EXAMINER, I reckon it
> wouldn't show a fault if the engine was missing. Any thoughts welcome.
>
> PS: Great car, looks and drive, but much different feel than my 156.
> ################################################## ##############################################
Thanks for the replies.

We actually have 2 x 2.0 TS 156's at the moment, as well as the GT JTS also
2.0.
My wife's from new has always been reasonable with fuel consumption. My 156
I got at 3.5 years old (low mileage, one owner) and has also been ok on
fuel.
All 3 cars are different. My 156 has lowered sports suspension & exhaust and
uprated vent/grooved brake discs so feels and sounds totally different from
the other 156. It has this lovely throaty hard-to-describe sound. I like
it as there is probably a bit of boy-racer left in me! (Is it ok to
advertise it for sale on this NG?) Now my wife's 156, it is pretty smooth
but still sounds good if you know what I mean.

The GT feels closer to my wife's 156 but different. How is hard to say,
both the grip,steering and road feel are great like Alfas, the seats and
seating positions are different (lotsa different positions possible), gear
shifts different. But I am not only comparing 156 against GT but TS against
JTS, I still jump in the 156 and feel at home immediately, while the GT is
still new and seems to improve each day, feels new each day. The JTS is
silky smooth, my 156 has a unique growl, both great. No wonder the GT won
best looking car in Italy recently.

>

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:56:34 -0000, "Robo" <someone@somewhere>, wrote:

> My 156 has lowered sports suspension & exhaust and
>uprated vent/grooved brake discs so feels and sounds totally different from
>the other 156. It has this lovely throaty hard-to-describe sound.

>(Is it ok to advertise it for sale on this NG?)
Yes. There you are a helping hand. :-)
Selling cars is not on topic.
Selling Alfa Romeo's IS. See FAQ section 4

Pete
--
>
156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)

Pete wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:56:34 -0000, "Robo" <someone@somewhere>, wrote:
>
>> My 156 has lowered sports suspension & exhaust and
>>uprated vent/grooved brake discs so feels and sounds totally different
>>from
>>the other 156. It has this lovely throaty hard-to-describe sound.
>
>>(Is it ok to advertise it for sale on this NG?)
> Yes. There you are a helping hand. :-)
> Selling cars is not on topic.
> Selling Alfa Romeo's IS. See FAQ section 4
>
> Pete

Hi Pete. LTNS. How's it going?
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:55:59 GMT, Catman >,
wrote:

>
>Hi Pete. LTNS. How's it going?
Thanks for asking :-)
Not too good. Breathing is harder this year. I admit that I had not
expected the decline too be so rapid. 'spose that's the trouble
with having a little knowledge :-)

Wife now on chemotherapy too.
It is getting a bit like "who is going to look after who today",
but fortunately my staff are wonderful and really have rallied
around and keep us both going. It is a day at a time thing :-(

On the bright side, the Alfa's are still as sound as ever. <LOL>

Pete
--
>
156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)

Pete wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:55:59 GMT, Catman
> >, wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Pete. LTNS. How's it going?
> Thanks for asking :-)
> Not too good. Breathing is harder this year. I admit that I had not
> expected the decline too be so rapid. 'spose that's the trouble
> with having a little knowledge :-)
>
> Wife now on chemotherapy too.
> It is getting a bit like "who is going to look after who today",


> but fortunately my staff are wo> nderful and really have rallied
> around and keep us both going.



> It is a day at a time thing :-(
>
> On the bright side, the Alfa's are still as sound as ever. <LOL>

ANy chance of making one og the shows this year, or will you just call me if
you can?

--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:04:38 GMT, Catman >,
wrote:


>ANy chance of making one og the shows this year, or will you just call me if
>you can?

TBH I have not even looked at a calendar for this years Motoring Events!!
Would be very nice to pencil something in.
We certainly wont be biking though. Alfa Only now. :-)

Diary is written on hosp & doc appointments only so far.
True, there are none of these at weekends, but treatments leave one or both
of us sick and debilitated for days afterwards.

Pete
--
>
156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)