KRETP Extremist Increase Highway Danger

Dave Head > wrote in
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> On 19 Dec 2004 16:03:30 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On 18 Dec 2004 16:50:39 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Dec 2004 00:48:06 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Head > wrote in
>>>>>>news:c174s0l2nupur2106ptroq31r0ulfbj6ep@4ax. com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aw c'mon - ya gotta love 'em - ya want _me_ to get screwed over
>>>>>>> by 'em on a continuous basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMO,you get "screwed over" due to your own carelessness.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, you're so smart, you tell me how _you_ would handle some guy
>>>>> in the left lane that settles in on your left bumper, and a slower
>>>>> car is dead ahead.
>>>>
>>>>It's rare that that happens to me. I usually spot someone
>>>>approaching and have plenty of time to change lanes and pass if I
>>>>decide to.I'm not mindlessly cruising,I keep aware of what's going
>>>>on around me.
>>>
>>> So you're going to jump out and deliberately block someone who is
>>> approaching you in the left lane and going faster
>>
>>You said the "creep up on you". That's not going "faster",nor is it
>>PASSING.
>
> That is absolutely false. If they can creep up, then they're going
> faster. If they weren't going faster, they couldn't catch me. I'm
> doing 62, they're probably doing 64 or 65. That's faster.
>
>>
>>> than you are.
>>> That's worse than just _being_ in the left lane.
>>>
>>> For one thing, it's worse 'cuz its way more likely to **** that
>>> person off big-time. People know when they're being messed with.
>>> It happened to me on I70 between Dayton and the Ohio line in 1996 -
>>> guy slowly approaching a semi, but still 100 yards or so back,
>>> popped into the left lane as I approaced.
>>
>>Because you were doing your LLBing.
>
> What? That's nuts. He did it 'cuz he knew someone was about to pass
> him, and he didn't want anyone passing him.

Oh,now you can read minds???

> When I passed him anyway,
> it ****ed him off. That was his mindset. Prolly a real criminal.
> Dunno.

Sounding more and more like you are paranoid.Everyone else is a
ccriminal,have guns and may want to shoot you.
>
>>
>>> I thought that was so brazenly rude
>>> that I immediately passed him on the right
>>
>>Initiating the road-rage.
>
> Tough ****. If he's going to drive left, he has to expect being
> passed on the right. NO, that wasn't the initiation, either. The
> initiation was his jumping in the left lane to block me. He performed
> an offensive, rude action, and was the 1st one to do it.

No,your LLBing was the first offensive behavior.
>
>>
>>
>>> at a fairly good speed
>>> differential. He began tailgating and then came up on my right just
>>> as soon as we got past the truck and TRIED TO RUN ME OFF THE ROAD!!!
>>> An obvious road-rage situation was initiated by someone popping into
>>> the left lane in front of a car approaching at a faster rate.
>>>
>>> And you want me to be doing this, instead of simply staying in the
>>> left lane (being a LLB) and letting people go by on the right?
>
> I notice no response here.
>
>>> Deliberately pop out
>>> and block a specific person that may or may not decide to do
>>> something about it, with a wide range of options from simply passing
>>> me on the right, to maybe blowing my head off with a .357?
>>
>>They might want to do that because you're LLBing.Or because they don't
>>like your car,or whatever reason.
>
> They're going to want to do it more if I jump out and specifically
> block just them. That's a personal offense.
>
> DPH
>
>>> I don't think so. This is a _really_ sucky, dangerous answer to
>>> this situation.
>>>
>>> DPH
>
>



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Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:49:06 GMT, Dave Head > wrote:

>>Not really.
>>If he does slow down to match my speed, then there's more room to pass
>>the car in front, and I don't need to be as abrupt.
>
>You're traveling along in the right lane and a duckling comes up and slows down
>on your left rear and sits. That has no effect at all on the room to pass the
>car in front of you. If you were 100 yards behind the car in front of you that
>you're catching slowly, then you're still gonna be 100 yards behind it and
>closing that space when you discover you're ability to change lanes is blocked.
>
>DPH

Sure it does.
If I slow down, the space between me and the car in front increases.
And, for me, ducklings happen so rarely that I can consider each one a
unique event, and deal with it as needed.
I wonder why you seem to attract so many of these rare ducklings.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:49:06 GMT, Dave Head > wrote:

>>Not really.
>>If he does slow down to match my speed, then there's more room to pass
>>the car in front, and I don't need to be as abrupt.
>
>You're traveling along in the right lane and a duckling comes up and slows down
>on your left rear and sits. That has no effect at all on the room to pass the
>car in front of you. If you were 100 yards behind the car in front of you that
>you're catching slowly, then you're still gonna be 100 yards behind it and
>closing that space when you discover you're ability to change lanes is blocked.
>
>DPH

Sure it does.
If I slow down, the space between me and the car in front increases.
And, for me, ducklings happen so rarely that I can consider each one a
unique event, and deal with it as needed.
I wonder why you seem to attract so many of these rare ducklings.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:41:37 GMT, Arif Khokar > wrote:

>Dave Head wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:25:32 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:
>
>>>Why do you attract so many ducklings?
>
>> 'Cuz I'm in Virginia,
>
>Why do you harping that reason when you know it not to be true?

But I believe it is absolutely true. Its the laws here.

DPH

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:41:37 GMT, Arif Khokar > wrote:

>Dave Head wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:25:32 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:
>
>>>Why do you attract so many ducklings?
>
>> 'Cuz I'm in Virginia,
>
>Why do you harping that reason when you know it not to be true?

But I believe it is absolutely true. Its the laws here.

DPH

On 19 Dec 2004 22:22:15 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:

>Dave Head > wrote in
:
>
>> On 19 Dec 2004 15:58:11 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>
>>>Dave Head > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:52:01 -0700, Big Bill >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:45:48 GMT, Dave Head >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:56:25 GMT, Arif Khokar >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, you're so smart, you tell me how _you_ would handle some guy
>>>>>>>> in the left lane that settles in on your left bumper, and a
>>>>>>>> slower car is dead ahead. You do that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Simple, I just speed up, move over to the left, pass the slower
>>>>>>>car, and then return to the right lane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uh huh. Well, when you "speed up", the damn duckling probably will
>>>>>>too. If he does, you're screwed... unless... you do it really
>>>>>>abruptly. If you do it abruptly, starting from the mid 60's mph
>>>>>>like I'm running, that means you're doing about 75 mph. That's
>>>>>>good for a really big ticket with a really big fine. Some counties
>>>>>>in Virginia will actually throw you in jail. The ones that don't,
>>>>>>a 20-over ticket is still "reckless driving" and a 6-point license
>>>>>>offense. Now _you_ may not be in Virginia, but _I AM_, so I am not
>>>>>>using this method...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Plus, even if you do get away with it, the manuever has you doing
>>>>>>maybe 75 mph pretty damn close to the car ahead before you snap
>>>>>>left, cut off the duck, and go around. Not a good move,
>>>>>>longevity-wise, if the car ahead finds one of about 1000 reasons
>>>>>>they come up with to hit the brakes. They're either deciding to
>>>>>>turn off with a right turn, and practically stopping in the road
>>>>>>first to do it, or braking for some critter, or braking 'cuz they
>>>>>>see you and get scared. Some brake just 'cuz they haven't done it
>>>>>>for a while. Of course it's not _likely_ they're gonna brake, but
>>>>>>you have to drive like its gonna happen, and have a plan in case it
>>>>>>does, otherwise you're up the creek and unprepared for a dangerous
>>>>>>situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another option is to slow down and fall in behind him while he
>>>>>>>passes the slower car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Drop back 10 and think about that. HE'S A DUCKLING. He's NOT
>>>>>>GONNA pass the slower car, he's gonna slow down and pace it, just
>>>>>>like he did when he got to you! And then, you're stuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Head
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really.
>>>>>If he does slow down to match my speed, then there's more room to
>>>>>pass the car in front, and I don't need to be as abrupt.
>>>>
>>>> You're traveling along in the right lane and a duckling comes up and
>>>> slows down on your left rear and sits.
>>>
>>>While you do nothing to prevent it
>>
>> Like what? Jump out in the "passsing lane" and _BLOCK_ him?
>
>Once AGAIN,if he's not PASSING you,you're not blocking him.

Fiddle faddle. Another sideways definition of blocking to add to the list.

If someone is approaching, and you jump into their path, you are a nuisance to
that person - just forget about the "blocking" thing.

>And when you
>change lanes,you go around the approaching vehicle in the right lane.From
>what you've described,the duck is not approaching at a high rate of
>closure,you said they creep up on you.He too is not using the PASSING lane
>properly.But that's no justification for you to do the same.You just
>rationalize it to be OK.

It is OK - its just that some people have a certain notion about it.

If it weren't OK, there'd be a whole pile of people with traffic tickets for
doing it. Doesn't happen.

>> People
>> know when they're being screwed with, and it ****es them off. That's
>> a really bad idea.
>>
>>>and wait until you come up on a vehicle
>>>in your lane THEN decide you can't change lanes to pass because of the
>>>duck you have allowed to hang on you.
>>
>> Look, you can't go jumping out in front if every car that's
>> approaching you in the left lane and hold them up, and ****ing them
>> off because you actively blocked them, in case one might be a duck.
>>
>> I stay left,
>
>BLOCKING THE LEFT LANE.

Look, by your sideways definition of blocking, then I'm blocking the right lane
if I'm driving in it, too. If there's 3 lanes, and I'm driving in the center
lane, then I'm blocking the center lane. Big whoop.

>> and it actively blocks them from becoming a duck on my
>> left rear, and it _doesn't_ **** 'em off. They either duckling on the
>> right, which isn't a problem 'cuz I soon scrape them off, or they go
>> on around. Either way, I don't **** 'em off with an offensive
>> manuever.
>>
>>>
>>>> That has no effect at all on
>>>> the room to pass the car in front of you. If you were 100 yards
>>>> behind the car in front of you that you're catching slowly, then
>>>> you're still gonna be 100 yards behind it and closing that space
>>>> when you discover you're ability to change lanes is blocked.
>>>
>>>Sounds like you don't "look ahead,think ahead,act ahead",but instead
>>>wait until it's too late.
>>
>> I do, and I don't wait 'til its too late. I just set up the situation
>> so its not a problem for anyone.
>
>
>Wrong,you BLOCK THE LEFT LANE.

Or the right lane if I'm driving there, or the center lane if I'm driving
there...

Your definition of blocking fails to be significant because people can still
get by. _MY_ definition of blocking is that the blocker is driving even with
some other car, so nobody can get by. My definition is just as good as yours,
since the cops aren't writing tickets for either of 'em.

>>Traffic flows smoothly. Nobody gets
>> held up.
>
>Yes,the people who want to pass correctly on the left,using the PASSING
>LANE are blocked by you,the LLB.

I can't help it if maybe 2% of the people out there are hardheads and think
they can only go around on the left. There's no such law any more - it was
repealed 35 or so years ago. The vast majority of sane people, tho, simply go
around on the right without blinking.

>>>I'd call this a typical clueless driver.
>>
>> You're the one without a clue, as you don't realize your method has a
>> higher risk of getting shot or some other adverse road-rage induced
>> action. You can't be jumping out in front of people to block them
>> without ****ing them off.
>>
>> DPH
>>
>>
>
>Wow,you are one fearful dude.

Naw, I just don't invite trouble for no good reason, esp. when it doesn't gain
me anything to do so.

And besides, jumping out in front of people is a rude act that is directed at a
specific person. People _do_ take offense to that. Why provoke 'em?

DPH

On 19 Dec 2004 22:22:15 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:

>Dave Head > wrote in
:
>
>> On 19 Dec 2004 15:58:11 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>
>>>Dave Head > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:52:01 -0700, Big Bill >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:45:48 GMT, Dave Head >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:56:25 GMT, Arif Khokar >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, you're so smart, you tell me how _you_ would handle some guy
>>>>>>>> in the left lane that settles in on your left bumper, and a
>>>>>>>> slower car is dead ahead. You do that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Simple, I just speed up, move over to the left, pass the slower
>>>>>>>car, and then return to the right lane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uh huh. Well, when you "speed up", the damn duckling probably will
>>>>>>too. If he does, you're screwed... unless... you do it really
>>>>>>abruptly. If you do it abruptly, starting from the mid 60's mph
>>>>>>like I'm running, that means you're doing about 75 mph. That's
>>>>>>good for a really big ticket with a really big fine. Some counties
>>>>>>in Virginia will actually throw you in jail. The ones that don't,
>>>>>>a 20-over ticket is still "reckless driving" and a 6-point license
>>>>>>offense. Now _you_ may not be in Virginia, but _I AM_, so I am not
>>>>>>using this method...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Plus, even if you do get away with it, the manuever has you doing
>>>>>>maybe 75 mph pretty damn close to the car ahead before you snap
>>>>>>left, cut off the duck, and go around. Not a good move,
>>>>>>longevity-wise, if the car ahead finds one of about 1000 reasons
>>>>>>they come up with to hit the brakes. They're either deciding to
>>>>>>turn off with a right turn, and practically stopping in the road
>>>>>>first to do it, or braking for some critter, or braking 'cuz they
>>>>>>see you and get scared. Some brake just 'cuz they haven't done it
>>>>>>for a while. Of course it's not _likely_ they're gonna brake, but
>>>>>>you have to drive like its gonna happen, and have a plan in case it
>>>>>>does, otherwise you're up the creek and unprepared for a dangerous
>>>>>>situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another option is to slow down and fall in behind him while he
>>>>>>>passes the slower car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Drop back 10 and think about that. HE'S A DUCKLING. He's NOT
>>>>>>GONNA pass the slower car, he's gonna slow down and pace it, just
>>>>>>like he did when he got to you! And then, you're stuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Head
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really.
>>>>>If he does slow down to match my speed, then there's more room to
>>>>>pass the car in front, and I don't need to be as abrupt.
>>>>
>>>> You're traveling along in the right lane and a duckling comes up and
>>>> slows down on your left rear and sits.
>>>
>>>While you do nothing to prevent it
>>
>> Like what? Jump out in the "passsing lane" and _BLOCK_ him?
>
>Once AGAIN,if he's not PASSING you,you're not blocking him.

Fiddle faddle. Another sideways definition of blocking to add to the list.

If someone is approaching, and you jump into their path, you are a nuisance to
that person - just forget about the "blocking" thing.

>And when you
>change lanes,you go around the approaching vehicle in the right lane.From
>what you've described,the duck is not approaching at a high rate of
>closure,you said they creep up on you.He too is not using the PASSING lane
>properly.But that's no justification for you to do the same.You just
>rationalize it to be OK.

It is OK - its just that some people have a certain notion about it.

If it weren't OK, there'd be a whole pile of people with traffic tickets for
doing it. Doesn't happen.

>> People
>> know when they're being screwed with, and it ****es them off. That's
>> a really bad idea.
>>
>>>and wait until you come up on a vehicle
>>>in your lane THEN decide you can't change lanes to pass because of the
>>>duck you have allowed to hang on you.
>>
>> Look, you can't go jumping out in front if every car that's
>> approaching you in the left lane and hold them up, and ****ing them
>> off because you actively blocked them, in case one might be a duck.
>>
>> I stay left,
>
>BLOCKING THE LEFT LANE.

Look, by your sideways definition of blocking, then I'm blocking the right lane
if I'm driving in it, too. If there's 3 lanes, and I'm driving in the center
lane, then I'm blocking the center lane. Big whoop.

>> and it actively blocks them from becoming a duck on my
>> left rear, and it _doesn't_ **** 'em off. They either duckling on the
>> right, which isn't a problem 'cuz I soon scrape them off, or they go
>> on around. Either way, I don't **** 'em off with an offensive
>> manuever.
>>
>>>
>>>> That has no effect at all on
>>>> the room to pass the car in front of you. If you were 100 yards
>>>> behind the car in front of you that you're catching slowly, then
>>>> you're still gonna be 100 yards behind it and closing that space
>>>> when you discover you're ability to change lanes is blocked.
>>>
>>>Sounds like you don't "look ahead,think ahead,act ahead",but instead
>>>wait until it's too late.
>>
>> I do, and I don't wait 'til its too late. I just set up the situation
>> so its not a problem for anyone.
>
>
>Wrong,you BLOCK THE LEFT LANE.

Or the right lane if I'm driving there, or the center lane if I'm driving
there...

Your definition of blocking fails to be significant because people can still
get by. _MY_ definition of blocking is that the blocker is driving even with
some other car, so nobody can get by. My definition is just as good as yours,
since the cops aren't writing tickets for either of 'em.

>>Traffic flows smoothly. Nobody gets
>> held up.
>
>Yes,the people who want to pass correctly on the left,using the PASSING
>LANE are blocked by you,the LLB.

I can't help it if maybe 2% of the people out there are hardheads and think
they can only go around on the left. There's no such law any more - it was
repealed 35 or so years ago. The vast majority of sane people, tho, simply go
around on the right without blinking.

>>>I'd call this a typical clueless driver.
>>
>> You're the one without a clue, as you don't realize your method has a
>> higher risk of getting shot or some other adverse road-rage induced
>> action. You can't be jumping out in front of people to block them
>> without ****ing them off.
>>
>> DPH
>>
>>
>
>Wow,you are one fearful dude.

Naw, I just don't invite trouble for no good reason, esp. when it doesn't gain
me anything to do so.

And besides, jumping out in front of people is a rude act that is directed at a
specific person. People _do_ take offense to that. Why provoke 'em?

DPH

>>>On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:25:32 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:
>>>>Why do you attract so many ducklings?

>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>'Cuz I'm in Virginia,

>Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>Why do you harping that reason when you know it not to be true?

Dave Head wrote:
> But I believe it is absolutely true. Its the laws here.

If it were absolutely true, then I would have problems with ducklings as
well. I certainly do not and I still KRETP while driving in VA, like
any other state I drive in.

Continuing to believe that it is true when it has been proven false
shows that your belief is irrational and delusional in nature. That
means all your arguments to the contrary are suspect and can easily be
dismissed outright.

>>>On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:25:32 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:
>>>>Why do you attract so many ducklings?

>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>'Cuz I'm in Virginia,

>Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>Why do you harping that reason when you know it not to be true?

Dave Head wrote:
> But I believe it is absolutely true. Its the laws here.

If it were absolutely true, then I would have problems with ducklings as
well. I certainly do not and I still KRETP while driving in VA, like
any other state I drive in.

Continuing to believe that it is true when it has been proven false
shows that your belief is irrational and delusional in nature. That
means all your arguments to the contrary are suspect and can easily be
dismissed outright.

In article >, Dave Head wrote:

> Wouldn't mean a thing. If I encountered someone driving like me but slower, I
> would simply pass 'em on the right. There would be room on the right because
> _I_ make sure there is room on _my_ right to do it, unless of course there's
> too much traffic, in which case I'm passing them all anyway, and somebody's
> just gonna hafta wait...

You don't drive in real traffic. I decided to slow down for a couple
LLBs today. In other words, out LLB them once I got around them. they
were rather unhappy campers. See, in real traffic getting around on the
right is more difficult, requires attention, etc etc. LLBs such as
yourself are lazy drivers by nature.

I also tried doing 7 over in the left lane of the edens today. Clear road
in front of me. A back up I couldn't see the end of behind me. This took
less than 5 minutes to form. The LLB I had gotten around just before I
said to myself, 'f'it I'm gonna try this' was right up on my ass. But I
didn't budge. Eventually the right most lane opened up and this mini van
driver had to do what many an LLB has forced me to do over the years,
double lane change to the right to get around.

It's a real lazy form of driving LLBing. Totally me first, **** everyone
else. Unlike driving slowly in the right lane I didn't have to watch my
mirrors much as enough other traffic quickly stacked up behind me unable
to pass that it became a cusion. It really does effectively pass the
entire task of driving on to other people. And I did something I haven't
done before. When the cell phone rang, I actually engaged in a
conversation. It was doable, because everybody else had to avoid me. I
had clear road in front of me. Nothing to hit, nobody to cut me off. they
were all behind me. I was next to a semi at this point so there was no
way anyone was getting around. I did feel guilty about it, but it's in
the name of science.