KRETP Extremist Increase Highway Danger

On 19 Dec 2004 15:54:01 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:

>Dave Head > wrote in
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>
>> On 19 Dec 2004 02:56:35 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>
>>>Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
>>>news >>>
>>>> On 18 Dec 2004 16:58:19 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I keep wondering why you get so many ducklings.There's SOMETHING you
>>>>>are or are not doing right,besides the LLBing.
>>>>
>>>> Based on his many postings where he describes driving at EXACTLY 7
>>>> MPH over the speed limit, I'd say he's one of those people who HATES
>>>> to change speed.
>>>
>>>Or pay attention to traffic around him.
>>
>> I do, but it doesn't help a bit unless I want to actively **** off
>> someone by jumping out in front of them and blocking them. They don't
>> react badly to simply having to pass on the right, but they do get
>> ****ed when people jump out to block them.
>
>If they were just hanging on and not passing you,then you would not be
>blocking them.If you paid attention,you could change lanes before they got
>close enough to be PO'd.

I do. Its just that I did it at the beginning of the drive. Now you've got
the right idea - a car in the left lane that hasn't changed lanes within sight
doesn't **** people off. That's just what I've been saying. I just do it
initially, people are _not_ ****ed off, and the whole thing runs a lot more
smoothly.

DPH

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:47:21 -0500, "James C. Reeves" >
wrote:

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>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:34:34 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
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>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:45:22 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> Saw a darling of this group doing his thing last night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guy is driving the right lane, gets within about 1/2 second of another
>>>>>> car
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the right lane that he's catching, pops out into the left lane for a
>>>>>> pass,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> cuts the guy off with a return to the right lane that left about a 1/2
>>>>>> second
>>>>>> of following distance for the car he just passed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, fine - I figure that catching this guy is going to be an
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I'm im the left lane, at my usual +7 speed, and passing
>>>>>> _everybody_,
>>>>>> so I
>>>>>> get to this guy. He's not wanting to be passed, so speeds up after I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> almost past - you guessed it - he goes "duckling" on my right rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem - about 45 seconds or so I catch the next car in the right
>>>>>> lane -
>>>>>> scrape him off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From a look in the mirror, he appears to have taken up a new hobby of
>>>>>> tailgating the car that scraped him off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just gotta love the KRETP fanatics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Head
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the person you witnessed was just a general purpose nut of no
>>>>>particular road political persuasion...one of those rare 3rd party
>>>>>crazies
>>>>>(vs. one of the normal 2-party crazies).
>>>>
>>>> Probably right. But its the idea that there are those here that want me
>>>> to
>>>> emulate that behavoir that is so nuts. If I were to do the wild
>>>> accelerations
>>>> necessary to shake an LLB/Duckling on my left rear, I'd look just like
>>>> that
>>>> guy, other than the quick return to the right lane which of course I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sudden speed changes and/or sudden changes in direction can create
>>>confusion
>>>for some people. I wouldn't do that either. Curious, why not move right
>>>before they get so close?
>>
>> Well, because if I'm then in the right lane, they come up and sit on my
>> left
>> rear. This limits my ability to react to deer (saw _2_ different groups
>> of
>> deer on the way home last night, BTW - they're numerous like rabbits
>> here...)
>> plus eventually gets me trapped behind the next slowest car ahead of me,
>> which
>> the duckling will often slow down to match the speed of as well.
>>
>> Its a losing strategy if one wants to get to one's destination sooner
>> rather
>> than later.
>>
>> DPH
>
>I see. That sure is odd behavior. Haven't witnessed that too often myself
>(thankfully).

Yeah - but somewhat understandable when there's cops up to the wazoo on this
road, everybody knows it, and so want to be driving with the speed of _some_
other traffic to give the cop a choice of _someone else_ to arrest besides
them. This may be why traffic "clumps up" on this road - I see it all the
time. 5 - 10 cars traveling about 60 mph, all driving within 20 - 30 feet of
the next car, nobody really passing anybody. Real Virginia phenomenon, I
think.

DPH

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>

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:47:21 -0500, "James C. Reeves" >
wrote:

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>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:34:34 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
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>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:45:22 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> Saw a darling of this group doing his thing last night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guy is driving the right lane, gets within about 1/2 second of another
>>>>>> car
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the right lane that he's catching, pops out into the left lane for a
>>>>>> pass,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> cuts the guy off with a return to the right lane that left about a 1/2
>>>>>> second
>>>>>> of following distance for the car he just passed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, fine - I figure that catching this guy is going to be an
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I'm im the left lane, at my usual +7 speed, and passing
>>>>>> _everybody_,
>>>>>> so I
>>>>>> get to this guy. He's not wanting to be passed, so speeds up after I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> almost past - you guessed it - he goes "duckling" on my right rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem - about 45 seconds or so I catch the next car in the right
>>>>>> lane -
>>>>>> scrape him off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From a look in the mirror, he appears to have taken up a new hobby of
>>>>>> tailgating the car that scraped him off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just gotta love the KRETP fanatics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Head
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the person you witnessed was just a general purpose nut of no
>>>>>particular road political persuasion...one of those rare 3rd party
>>>>>crazies
>>>>>(vs. one of the normal 2-party crazies).
>>>>
>>>> Probably right. But its the idea that there are those here that want me
>>>> to
>>>> emulate that behavoir that is so nuts. If I were to do the wild
>>>> accelerations
>>>> necessary to shake an LLB/Duckling on my left rear, I'd look just like
>>>> that
>>>> guy, other than the quick return to the right lane which of course I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sudden speed changes and/or sudden changes in direction can create
>>>confusion
>>>for some people. I wouldn't do that either. Curious, why not move right
>>>before they get so close?
>>
>> Well, because if I'm then in the right lane, they come up and sit on my
>> left
>> rear. This limits my ability to react to deer (saw _2_ different groups
>> of
>> deer on the way home last night, BTW - they're numerous like rabbits
>> here...)
>> plus eventually gets me trapped behind the next slowest car ahead of me,
>> which
>> the duckling will often slow down to match the speed of as well.
>>
>> Its a losing strategy if one wants to get to one's destination sooner
>> rather
>> than later.
>>
>> DPH
>
>I see. That sure is odd behavior. Haven't witnessed that too often myself
>(thankfully).

Yeah - but somewhat understandable when there's cops up to the wazoo on this
road, everybody knows it, and so want to be driving with the speed of _some_
other traffic to give the cop a choice of _someone else_ to arrest besides
them. This may be why traffic "clumps up" on this road - I see it all the
time. 5 - 10 cars traveling about 60 mph, all driving within 20 - 30 feet of
the next car, nobody really passing anybody. Real Virginia phenomenon, I
think.

DPH

>
>

Dave Head wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:25:32 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:

>>Why do you attract so many ducklings?

> 'Cuz I'm in Virginia,

Why do you harping that reason when you know it not to be true?

Dave Head wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:25:32 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:

>>Why do you attract so many ducklings?

> 'Cuz I'm in Virginia,

Why do you harping that reason when you know it not to be true?

In article >,
Dave Head > wrote:

>Speed up and get nicked for a $100 ticket on this really heavily patrolled
>road. Sure. Do it 2 or 3 times in succession, and lose your license.

You need to find a 12-step group for wusses. Worried about ducklings
shooting at you? Not likely. And losing your license for speeding up
on passes? Unless you regularly drive an out-of-state licensed car in
Ohio, it ain't going to happen.

In article >,
Dave Head > wrote:

>Speed up and get nicked for a $100 ticket on this really heavily patrolled
>road. Sure. Do it 2 or 3 times in succession, and lose your license.

You need to find a 12-step group for wusses. Worried about ducklings
shooting at you? Not likely. And losing your license for speeding up
on passes? Unless you regularly drive an out-of-state licensed car in
Ohio, it ain't going to happen.

Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On 19 Dec 2004 15:58:11 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:52:01 -0700, Big Bill >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:45:48 GMT, Dave Head >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:56:25 GMT, Arif Khokar >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, you're so smart, you tell me how _you_ would handle some guy
>>>>>>> in the left lane that settles in on your left bumper, and a
>>>>>>> slower car is dead ahead. You do that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Simple, I just speed up, move over to the left, pass the slower
>>>>>>car, and then return to the right lane.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uh huh. Well, when you "speed up", the damn duckling probably will
>>>>>too. If he does, you're screwed... unless... you do it really
>>>>>abruptly. If you do it abruptly, starting from the mid 60's mph
>>>>>like I'm running, that means you're doing about 75 mph. That's
>>>>>good for a really big ticket with a really big fine. Some counties
>>>>>in Virginia will actually throw you in jail. The ones that don't,
>>>>>a 20-over ticket is still "reckless driving" and a 6-point license
>>>>>offense. Now _you_ may not be in Virginia, but _I AM_, so I am not
>>>>>using this method...
>>>>>
>>>>>Plus, even if you do get away with it, the manuever has you doing
>>>>>maybe 75 mph pretty damn close to the car ahead before you snap
>>>>>left, cut off the duck, and go around. Not a good move,
>>>>>longevity-wise, if the car ahead finds one of about 1000 reasons
>>>>>they come up with to hit the brakes. They're either deciding to
>>>>>turn off with a right turn, and practically stopping in the road
>>>>>first to do it, or braking for some critter, or braking 'cuz they
>>>>>see you and get scared. Some brake just 'cuz they haven't done it
>>>>>for a while. Of course it's not _likely_ they're gonna brake, but
>>>>>you have to drive like its gonna happen, and have a plan in case it
>>>>>does, otherwise you're up the creek and unprepared for a dangerous
>>>>>situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another option is to slow down and fall in behind him while he
>>>>>>passes the slower car.
>>>>>
>>>>>Drop back 10 and think about that. HE'S A DUCKLING. He's NOT
>>>>>GONNA pass the slower car, he's gonna slow down and pace it, just
>>>>>like he did when he got to you! And then, you're stuck.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Head
>>>>
>>>>Not really.
>>>>If he does slow down to match my speed, then there's more room to
>>>>pass the car in front, and I don't need to be as abrupt.
>>>
>>> You're traveling along in the right lane and a duckling comes up and
>>> slows down on your left rear and sits.
>>
>>While you do nothing to prevent it
>
> Like what? Jump out in the "passsing lane" and _BLOCK_ him?

Once AGAIN,if he's not PASSING you,you're not blocking him.And when you
change lanes,you go around the approaching vehicle in the right lane.From
what you've described,the duck is not approaching at a high rate of
closure,you said they creep up on you.He too is not using the PASSING lane
properly.But that's no justification for you to do the same.You just
rationalize it to be OK.

> People
> know when they're being screwed with, and it ****es them off. That's
> a really bad idea.
>
>>and wait until you come up on a vehicle
>>in your lane THEN decide you can't change lanes to pass because of the
>>duck you have allowed to hang on you.
>
> Look, you can't go jumping out in front if every car that's
> approaching you in the left lane and hold them up, and ****ing them
> off because you actively blocked them, in case one might be a duck.
>
> I stay left,

BLOCKING THE LEFT LANE.

> and it actively blocks them from becoming a duck on my
> left rear, and it _doesn't_ **** 'em off. They either duckling on the
> right, which isn't a problem 'cuz I soon scrape them off, or they go
> on around. Either way, I don't **** 'em off with an offensive
> manuever.
>
>>
>>> That has no effect at all on
>>> the room to pass the car in front of you. If you were 100 yards
>>> behind the car in front of you that you're catching slowly, then
>>> you're still gonna be 100 yards behind it and closing that space
>>> when you discover you're ability to change lanes is blocked.
>>
>>Sounds like you don't "look ahead,think ahead,act ahead",but instead
>>wait until it's too late.
>
> I do, and I don't wait 'til its too late. I just set up the situation
> so its not a problem for anyone.


Wrong,you BLOCK THE LEFT LANE.

>Traffic flows smoothly. Nobody gets
> held up.

Yes,the people who want to pass correctly on the left,using the PASSING
LANE are blocked by you,the LLB.
>
>>I'd call this a typical clueless driver.
>
> You're the one without a clue, as you don't realize your method has a
> higher risk of getting shot or some other adverse road-rage induced
> action. You can't be jumping out in front of people to block them
> without ****ing them off.
>
> DPH
>
>

Wow,you are one fearful dude.

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Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On 19 Dec 2004 15:58:11 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:52:01 -0700, Big Bill >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:45:48 GMT, Dave Head >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:56:25 GMT, Arif Khokar >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, you're so smart, you tell me how _you_ would handle some guy
>>>>>>> in the left lane that settles in on your left bumper, and a
>>>>>>> slower car is dead ahead. You do that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Simple, I just speed up, move over to the left, pass the slower
>>>>>>car, and then return to the right lane.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uh huh. Well, when you "speed up", the damn duckling probably will
>>>>>too. If he does, you're screwed... unless... you do it really
>>>>>abruptly. If you do it abruptly, starting from the mid 60's mph
>>>>>like I'm running, that means you're doing about 75 mph. That's
>>>>>good for a really big ticket with a really big fine. Some counties
>>>>>in Virginia will actually throw you in jail. The ones that don't,
>>>>>a 20-over ticket is still "reckless driving" and a 6-point license
>>>>>offense. Now _you_ may not be in Virginia, but _I AM_, so I am not
>>>>>using this method...
>>>>>
>>>>>Plus, even if you do get away with it, the manuever has you doing
>>>>>maybe 75 mph pretty damn close to the car ahead before you snap
>>>>>left, cut off the duck, and go around. Not a good move,
>>>>>longevity-wise, if the car ahead finds one of about 1000 reasons
>>>>>they come up with to hit the brakes. They're either deciding to
>>>>>turn off with a right turn, and practically stopping in the road
>>>>>first to do it, or braking for some critter, or braking 'cuz they
>>>>>see you and get scared. Some brake just 'cuz they haven't done it
>>>>>for a while. Of course it's not _likely_ they're gonna brake, but
>>>>>you have to drive like its gonna happen, and have a plan in case it
>>>>>does, otherwise you're up the creek and unprepared for a dangerous
>>>>>situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another option is to slow down and fall in behind him while he
>>>>>>passes the slower car.
>>>>>
>>>>>Drop back 10 and think about that. HE'S A DUCKLING. He's NOT
>>>>>GONNA pass the slower car, he's gonna slow down and pace it, just
>>>>>like he did when he got to you! And then, you're stuck.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Head
>>>>
>>>>Not really.
>>>>If he does slow down to match my speed, then there's more room to
>>>>pass the car in front, and I don't need to be as abrupt.
>>>
>>> You're traveling along in the right lane and a duckling comes up and
>>> slows down on your left rear and sits.
>>
>>While you do nothing to prevent it
>
> Like what? Jump out in the "passsing lane" and _BLOCK_ him?

Once AGAIN,if he's not PASSING you,you're not blocking him.And when you
change lanes,you go around the approaching vehicle in the right lane.From
what you've described,the duck is not approaching at a high rate of
closure,you said they creep up on you.He too is not using the PASSING lane
properly.But that's no justification for you to do the same.You just
rationalize it to be OK.

> People
> know when they're being screwed with, and it ****es them off. That's
> a really bad idea.
>
>>and wait until you come up on a vehicle
>>in your lane THEN decide you can't change lanes to pass because of the
>>duck you have allowed to hang on you.
>
> Look, you can't go jumping out in front if every car that's
> approaching you in the left lane and hold them up, and ****ing them
> off because you actively blocked them, in case one might be a duck.
>
> I stay left,

BLOCKING THE LEFT LANE.

> and it actively blocks them from becoming a duck on my
> left rear, and it _doesn't_ **** 'em off. They either duckling on the
> right, which isn't a problem 'cuz I soon scrape them off, or they go
> on around. Either way, I don't **** 'em off with an offensive
> manuever.
>
>>
>>> That has no effect at all on
>>> the room to pass the car in front of you. If you were 100 yards
>>> behind the car in front of you that you're catching slowly, then
>>> you're still gonna be 100 yards behind it and closing that space
>>> when you discover you're ability to change lanes is blocked.
>>
>>Sounds like you don't "look ahead,think ahead,act ahead",but instead
>>wait until it's too late.
>
> I do, and I don't wait 'til its too late. I just set up the situation
> so its not a problem for anyone.


Wrong,you BLOCK THE LEFT LANE.

>Traffic flows smoothly. Nobody gets
> held up.

Yes,the people who want to pass correctly on the left,using the PASSING
LANE are blocked by you,the LLB.
>
>>I'd call this a typical clueless driver.
>
> You're the one without a clue, as you don't realize your method has a
> higher risk of getting shot or some other adverse road-rage induced
> action. You can't be jumping out in front of people to block them
> without ****ing them off.
>
> DPH
>
>

Wow,you are one fearful dude.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Dave Head > wrote in
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> On 19 Dec 2004 16:03:30 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On 18 Dec 2004 16:50:39 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Dec 2004 00:48:06 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Head > wrote in
>>>>>>news:c174s0l2nupur2106ptroq31r0ulfbj6ep@4ax. com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aw c'mon - ya gotta love 'em - ya want _me_ to get screwed over
>>>>>>> by 'em on a continuous basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMO,you get "screwed over" due to your own carelessness.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, you're so smart, you tell me how _you_ would handle some guy
>>>>> in the left lane that settles in on your left bumper, and a slower
>>>>> car is dead ahead.
>>>>
>>>>It's rare that that happens to me. I usually spot someone
>>>>approaching and have plenty of time to change lanes and pass if I
>>>>decide to.I'm not mindlessly cruising,I keep aware of what's going
>>>>on around me.
>>>
>>> So you're going to jump out and deliberately block someone who is
>>> approaching you in the left lane and going faster
>>
>>You said the "creep up on you". That's not going "faster",nor is it
>>PASSING.
>
> That is absolutely false. If they can creep up, then they're going
> faster. If they weren't going faster, they couldn't catch me. I'm
> doing 62, they're probably doing 64 or 65. That's faster.
>
>>
>>> than you are.
>>> That's worse than just _being_ in the left lane.
>>>
>>> For one thing, it's worse 'cuz its way more likely to **** that
>>> person off big-time. People know when they're being messed with.
>>> It happened to me on I70 between Dayton and the Ohio line in 1996 -
>>> guy slowly approaching a semi, but still 100 yards or so back,
>>> popped into the left lane as I approaced.
>>
>>Because you were doing your LLBing.
>
> What? That's nuts. He did it 'cuz he knew someone was about to pass
> him, and he didn't want anyone passing him.

Oh,now you can read minds???

> When I passed him anyway,
> it ****ed him off. That was his mindset. Prolly a real criminal.
> Dunno.

Sounding more and more like you are paranoid.Everyone else is a
ccriminal,have guns and may want to shoot you.
>
>>
>>> I thought that was so brazenly rude
>>> that I immediately passed him on the right
>>
>>Initiating the road-rage.
>
> Tough ****. If he's going to drive left, he has to expect being
> passed on the right. NO, that wasn't the initiation, either. The
> initiation was his jumping in the left lane to block me. He performed
> an offensive, rude action, and was the 1st one to do it.

No,your LLBing was the first offensive behavior.
>
>>
>>
>>> at a fairly good speed
>>> differential. He began tailgating and then came up on my right just
>>> as soon as we got past the truck and TRIED TO RUN ME OFF THE ROAD!!!
>>> An obvious road-rage situation was initiated by someone popping into
>>> the left lane in front of a car approaching at a faster rate.
>>>
>>> And you want me to be doing this, instead of simply staying in the
>>> left lane (being a LLB) and letting people go by on the right?
>
> I notice no response here.
>
>>> Deliberately pop out
>>> and block a specific person that may or may not decide to do
>>> something about it, with a wide range of options from simply passing
>>> me on the right, to maybe blowing my head off with a .357?
>>
>>They might want to do that because you're LLBing.Or because they don't
>>like your car,or whatever reason.
>
> They're going to want to do it more if I jump out and specifically
> block just them. That's a personal offense.
>
> DPH
>
>>> I don't think so. This is a _really_ sucky, dangerous answer to
>>> this situation.
>>>
>>> DPH
>
>



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