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  #61  
Old July 14th 05, 03:34 AM
John Willis
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:54:54 +0200, "P.J. Berg" >
scribbled this interesting note:

>
>Someone is forgetting something here, which nation train AlCaida and the
>likes in the first place, UUUuups, wrong question???
>(Anti Commie at the time, but backfired did it not??)


So far as I'm concerned that was a short sighted policy then, just as
policies in place now may similarly turn out to be short sighted from
a point of view we do not and can not have in the present. It is
impossible to predict the future. Ideas and strategies that may seem
like the best ways to deal with existing situations, oftentimes turn
out to have been flawed. It is easy to be a Monday morning
quarter-back. It is hard to create, make, design, and implement good
policy in every instance.

Is that what you are trying to say? If so, I agree completely.


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  #62  
Old July 14th 05, 12:10 PM
Shag
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:34:23 -0500, John Willis
> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:54:54 +0200, "P.J. Berg" >
>scribbled this interesting note:
>
>>
>>Someone is forgetting something here, which nation train AlCaida and the
>>likes in the first place, UUUuups, wrong question???
>>(Anti Commie at the time, but backfired did it not??)

>
>So far as I'm concerned that was a short sighted policy then, just as
>policies in place now may similarly turn out to be short sighted from
>a point of view we do not and can not have in the present. It is
>impossible to predict the future. Ideas and strategies that may seem
>like the best ways to deal with existing situations, oftentimes turn
>out to have been flawed. It is easy to be a Monday morning
>quarter-back. It is hard to create, make, design, and implement good
>policy in every instance.
>
>Is that what you are trying to say? If so, I agree completely.


Hmm. You handled/said that a lot better than I ever could have.

  #63  
Old July 17th 05, 03:14 AM
P.J. Berg
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John Willis wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:54:54 +0200, "P.J. Berg" >
> scribbled this interesting note:
>
>
>>Someone is forgetting something here, which nation train AlCaida and the
>>likes in the first place, UUUuups, wrong question???
>>(Anti Commie at the time, but backfired did it not??)

>
>
> So far as I'm concerned that was a short sighted policy then, just as
> policies in place now may similarly turn out to be short sighted from
> a point of view we do not and can not have in the present. It is
> impossible to predict the future. Ideas and strategies that may seem
> like the best ways to deal with existing situations, oftentimes turn
> out to have been flawed. It is easy to be a Monday morning
> quarter-back. It is hard to create, make, design, and implement good
> policy in every instance.
>
> Is that what you are trying to say? If so, I agree completely.
>
>
> --
> John Willis
>
> (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)



Yup, exactly, only I'm not that good of putting words on paper, or in
this instance screen.

J.
  #64  
Old July 17th 05, 03:16 AM
P.J. Berg
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Shag wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:54:54 +0200, "P.J. Berg" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>John Willis wrote:

>
>
>>>You miss the implication entirely. What I was getting at is, through
>>>technology, reduce the demand for oil such that the prices drop so
>>>much as to remove money from the equation entirely.
>>>
>>>I don't want "their" oil. "They can have it, for all the good it'll do
>>>"them" when demand drops, causing prices to drop, causing all manner
>>>of problems for "them."
>>>
>>>BTW, I don't know who "they" are. I was referencing how some in the
>>>middle east funnel large chunks of change to terrorists, financing the
>>>efforts of mentally challenged individuals who see nothing wrong with
>>>blowing up a bus load of Londoners intent on just getting to work in
>>>the morning.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>John Willis

>>>(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

>>
>>
>>Someone is forgetting something here, which nation train AlCaida and the
>>likes in the first place, UUUuups, wrong question???
>>(Anti Commie at the time, but backfired did it not??)
>>
>>J.

>
>
> I'm not much of a history buff, but as far as I know it wasn't John
> Willis who trained them. You seem to have a need to point the finger
> for blame. Who exactly do you want to apologize? I didn't appreciate
> your similar smart-ass comment the other day when you "reminded" me of
> the same **** you're dragging up now when I was concerned about my
> wife and daughter (admittedly both of them were directly involved in
> the training of these assholes so they should probably both die,
> but...) Since you're giving your opinion, here's mine. In my opinion
> you should shut the **** up. UUUUuuups. Asshole.
>


Asshole? Yup, I got one.. You too I hope!

J.
  #65  
Old July 17th 05, 06:25 PM
Shag
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:16:03 +0200, "P.J. Berg" >
wrote:
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>Asshole? Yup, I got one.. You too I hope!
>
>J.


Shh! I'm trying to watch the Science channel. They're talking about
beer and where it originated from and how to make it and all kinds of
important stuff like that. Jeez.

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Old July 17th 05, 07:52 PM
Anthony W
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Shag wrote:

> Shh! I'm trying to watch the Science channel. They're talking about
> beer and where it originated from and how to make it and all kinds of
> important stuff like that. Jeez.


I hate to admit that I watched this but did you see the beer truck
episode of Monster Garage? I loved the quote from the beer maker. It
went something like, "when I found out I could make my own beer, it was
like I hearing I could make my own gas (petrol for our British friends.)"

Tony
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Old July 17th 05, 09:23 PM
Shag
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:52:05 GMT, Anthony W >
wrote:

>Shag wrote:
>
>> Shh! I'm trying to watch the Science channel. They're talking about
>> beer and where it originated from and how to make it and all kinds of
>> important stuff like that. Jeez.

>
>I hate to admit that I watched this but did you see the beer truck
>episode of Monster Garage? I loved the quote from the beer maker. It
>went something like, "when I found out I could make my own beer, it was
>like I hearing I could make my own gas (petrol for our British friends.)"
>
>Tony


No, I didn't see that one. I remember the first time I made my own
beer it came out GREAT. I mean it was REALLY good. (some sort of a
stout... been over 10 years ago so I don't remember exactly what
kind.) Then I did the math to figure out about how much it cost "per
beer" to make. Turned out that it cost about as much as the cheapest
beer I could buy at the grocery store. Something like 36 cents for a
12 oz beer or so. I think that was Milwaukee's Best at the time. You
really can make good beer inexpensively, but it's a lot of work. I
made about 5 gallons for my first batch. My friend Chuck and I
(Chuck's the one I pulled a tooth for with a pair of pliers...) went
through about 3 gallons of that beer the first night we got into it.
The next day we both learned about how there is typically some
sedimentation that forms in homemade beers and that it's a good idea
to pour the beer out of the bottle and into a glass before drinking
it, and to be sure to leave the sedimentation in the bottle rather
than just drink it all. There's a lesson I will *never* forget.

  #68  
Old July 17th 05, 10:05 PM
Jan Andersson
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Shag wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:52:05 GMT, Anthony W >
> wrote:
>
> >Shag wrote:
> >
> >> Shh! I'm trying to watch the Science channel. They're talking about
> >> beer and where it originated from and how to make it and all kinds of
> >> important stuff like that. Jeez.

> >
> >I hate to admit that I watched this but did you see the beer truck
> >episode of Monster Garage? I loved the quote from the beer maker. It
> >went something like, "when I found out I could make my own beer, it was
> >like I hearing I could make my own gas (petrol for our British friends.)"
> >
> >Tony

>
> No, I didn't see that one. I remember the first time I made my own
> beer it came out GREAT. I mean it was REALLY good. (some sort of a
> stout... been over 10 years ago so I don't remember exactly what
> kind.) Then I did the math to figure out about how much it cost "per
> beer" to make. Turned out that it cost about as much as the cheapest
> beer I could buy at the grocery store. Something like 36 cents for a
> 12 oz beer or so. I think that was Milwaukee's Best at the time. You
> really can make good beer inexpensively, but it's a lot of work. I
> made about 5 gallons for my first batch. My friend Chuck and I
> (Chuck's the one I pulled a tooth for with a pair of pliers...) went
> through about 3 gallons of that beer the first night we got into it.


Was that before or after you pulled his tooth with pliers?


Jan
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Old July 18th 05, 02:23 AM
Shag
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:05:08 +0300, Jan Andersson
> wrote:

>Was that before or after you pulled his tooth with pliers?
>
>
>Jan


That was a different time altogether. Well, not that much different,
but within a day or ninety or so of it. :-)

 




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