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  #11  
Old July 17th 05, 03:42 PM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:

> > Sorry...zero tolerance for people too goddamned cheap and lazy to buy
> > the number-one necessary tool for DIY car repairs.


> I thought that's what Usenet was for.


I guess you thought wrong.

> I don't know about being lazy, but you're right about the cheap part.


Then I'll add "willfully stupid" to the list as it applies to you.
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  #12  
Old July 17th 05, 04:38 PM
Robbie and Laura Reynolds
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"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:
>
> > > Sorry...zero tolerance for people too goddamned cheap and lazy to buy
> > > the number-one necessary tool for DIY car repairs.

>
> > I thought that's what Usenet was for.

>
> I guess you thought wrong.
>
> > I don't know about being lazy, but you're right about the cheap part.

>
> Then I'll add "willfully stupid" to the list as it applies to you.




I'm just glad I could do my small part to help you feel superior today.
Let me know if there's anything else I can help with.
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Old July 17th 05, 04:49 PM
damnnickname
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wealth of knowledge!! LMAO. when are you going to use that wealth of
knowledge of yours on the newer model cars? there arent to many shadows
and acclaims out there any more

  #14  
Old July 18th 05, 06:34 AM
Ted Mittelstaedt
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"maxpower" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Robbie and Laura Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a 93 Voyager with 3.3 engine. Within the past couple of

weeks
> > > > the radiator fan has quit turning on, and the air conditioner quit
> > > > working. They both quit at the same time as far as I know. The AC

is
> > > > still fully charged, and all of the dashboard controls work

including
> > > > the blower, etc. It's just that the clutch never engages.
> > > >
> > > > I got the trouble codes by turning the key, and it gave me code 33,
> > > > which according to the manual is a short or open condition in the AC
> > > > compressor clutch relay.
> > > >
> > > > Does this relay control both the AC clutch and the radiator fan?

> There
> > > > is only one fan, rather than one for the radiator and one for the

AC.
> > > > So it makes sense in a way that a single fault could disable both

the
> > > > radiator fan and the AC.
> > >
> > > Yep. There is a relay for the radiator fan and a relay for the A/C
> > > compressor clutch. They are interlinked such that the compressor relay
> > > won't close unless the rad fan relay is closed. A single fusible link
> > > feeds them both. You've got some diagnosis to do -- and you'll need a
> > > factory service manual (not Haynes, not Chilton) to do it.

> >
> >
> > I also have a 93 Caravan with 3.0. It's a different engine, but the
> > chassis wiring is the same as far as I know, and everything on it
> > works. I can do the classic "switch parts until it works" routine with
> > the other van. If I knew which relays and switches to look at, I could
> > determine whether the fault is in the parts or in the fusible links.
> > The problem is that it's hard to tell which ones are which. Does
> > anybody here know off the top of their head which relays to look at?

>
> Check the fusible links as I stated earlier, thats you you want to start.
>


Also, one other caution about fusible links, check the connectors too. I
once had a fusible link on my Datsun go, and the link looked perfectly
fine (wasn't all bubbly or burned insulation) the problem was that
corrosion had got down and ruined the crimp connection from the
wire that made up the link, to the plastic end connector on the link.

Ted


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Old July 19th 05, 05:56 PM
Bob
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Interesting, I have a similar problem with my 1996 Sebring
convertible. The difference is this: After a few minutes of running,
my radiator fan turns on, even when temerature conditions do not call
for it, and when it does, the A/C compressor cuts out. The fan
continues to run but the clutch will not engage. If I shut the car off
and then turn it back on after a few minutes, it occurs again. I also
got a code 33 when I did the key dance.

Now, I have ordered a FSM set. But it has not arrived yet. Where is
the fan relay for this car? It's not in the relay box under the hood,
though all the rest seem to be.


On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:32:49 -0400, "PC Medic" > wrote:

>
>"Robbie and Laura Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have a 93 Voyager with 3.3 engine. Within the past couple of weeks
>>> > the radiator fan has quit turning on, and the air conditioner quit
>>> > working. They both quit at the same time as far as I know. The AC is
>>> > still fully charged, and all of the dashboard controls work including
>>> > the blower, etc. It's just that the clutch never engages.
>>> >
>>> > I got the trouble codes by turning the key, and it gave me code 33,
>>> > which according to the manual is a short or open condition in the AC
>>> > compressor clutch relay.
>>> >
>>> > Does this relay control both the AC clutch and the radiator fan? There
>>> > is only one fan, rather than one for the radiator and one for the AC.
>>> > So it makes sense in a way that a single fault could disable both the
>>> > radiator fan and the AC.
>>>
>>> Yep. There is a relay for the radiator fan and a relay for the A/C
>>> compressor clutch. They are interlinked such that the compressor relay
>>> won't close unless the rad fan relay is closed. A single fusible link
>>> feeds them both. You've got some diagnosis to do -- and you'll need a
>>> factory service manual (not Haynes, not Chilton) to do it.

>>
>>
>> I also have a 93 Caravan with 3.0. It's a different engine, but the
>> chassis wiring is the same as far as I know, and everything on it
>> works. I can do the classic "switch parts until it works" routine with
>> the other van. If I knew which relays and switches to look at, I could
>> determine whether the fault is in the parts or in the fusible links.
>> The problem is that it's hard to tell which ones are which. Does
>> anybody here know off the top of their head which relays to look at?

>
>My 95 3.0 they relays are all labeled on the under-side of the power control
>centers cover.
>With the exception of two if I remember correctly, they (relays) are also
>all the same so swapping is what I did to track down that it was a bad Rad
>Fan relay when mine failed.
>
>


  #16  
Old July 19th 05, 11:36 PM
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"" wrote:
> "maxpower" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Robbie and Laura Reynolds" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have a 93 Voyager with 3.3 engine. Within the past

> couple of
> weeks
> > > > > the radiator fan has quit turning on, and the air

> conditioner quit
> > > > > working. They both quit at the same time as far as I

> know. The AC
> is
> > > > > still fully charged, and all of the dashboard controls

> work
> including
> > > > > the blower, etc. It's just that the clutch never

> engages.
> > > > >
> > > > > I got the trouble codes by turning the key, and it

> gave me code 33,
> > > > > which according to the manual is a short or open

> condition in the AC
> > > > > compressor clutch relay.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this relay control both the AC clutch and the

> radiator fan?
> > There
> > > > > is only one fan, rather than one for the radiator and

> one for the
> AC.
> > > > > So it makes sense in a way that a single fault could

> disable both
> the
> > > > > radiator fan and the AC.
> > > >
> > > > Yep. There is a relay for the radiator fan and a relay

> for the A/C
> > > > compressor clutch. They are interlinked such that the

> compressor relay
> > > > won't close unless the rad fan relay is closed. A single

> fusible link
> > > > feeds them both. You've got some diagnosis to do -- and

> you'll need a
> > > > factory service manual (not Haynes, not Chilton) to do

> it.
> > >
> > >
> > > I also have a 93 Caravan with 3.0. It's a different

> engine, but the
> > > chassis wiring is the same as far as I know, and

> everything on it
> > > works. I can do the classic "switch parts until it works"

> routine with
> > > the other van. If I knew which relays and switches to

> look at, I could
> > > determine whether the fault is in the parts or in the

> fusible links.
> > > The problem is that it's hard to tell which ones are

> which. Does
> > > anybody here know off the top of their head which relays

> to look at?
> >
> > Check the fusible links as I stated earlier, thats you you

> want to start.
> >

>
> Also, one other caution about fusible links, check the
> connectors too. I
> once had a fusible link on my Datsun go, and the link looked
> perfectly
> fine (wasn't all bubbly or burned insulation) the problem was
> that
> corrosion had got down and ruined the crimp connection from
> the
> wire that made up the link, to the plastic end connector on
> the link.
>
> Ted


If you don’t have any luck finding the fan relay in the PDC (under
bonnet fuse box) then your vehicle will have a solid state relay
system......it’s found on the nearside front chassis leg ( easy to
find once you know it’s there but a pig when you don’t ! )

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Old July 19th 05, 11:49 PM
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"incar-1" > wrote in message
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> "" wrote:
> > "maxpower" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Robbie and Laura Reynolds" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Robbie and Laura Reynolds wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have a 93 Voyager with 3.3 engine. Within the past

> > couple of
> > weeks
> > > > > > the radiator fan has quit turning on, and the air

> > conditioner quit
> > > > > > working. They both quit at the same time as far as I

> > know. The AC
> > is
> > > > > > still fully charged, and all of the dashboard controls

> > work
> > including
> > > > > > the blower, etc. It's just that the clutch never

> > engages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I got the trouble codes by turning the key, and it

> > gave me code 33,
> > > > > > which according to the manual is a short or open

> > condition in the AC
> > > > > > compressor clutch relay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this relay control both the AC clutch and the

> > radiator fan?
> > > There
> > > > > > is only one fan, rather than one for the radiator and

> > one for the
> > AC.
> > > > > > So it makes sense in a way that a single fault could

> > disable both
> > the
> > > > > > radiator fan and the AC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep. There is a relay for the radiator fan and a relay

> > for the A/C
> > > > > compressor clutch. They are interlinked such that the

> > compressor relay
> > > > > won't close unless the rad fan relay is closed. A single

> > fusible link
> > > > > feeds them both. You've got some diagnosis to do -- and

> > you'll need a
> > > > > factory service manual (not Haynes, not Chilton) to do

> > it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also have a 93 Caravan with 3.0. It's a different

> > engine, but the
> > > > chassis wiring is the same as far as I know, and

> > everything on it
> > > > works. I can do the classic "switch parts until it works"

> > routine with
> > > > the other van. If I knew which relays and switches to

> > look at, I could
> > > > determine whether the fault is in the parts or in the

> > fusible links.
> > > > The problem is that it's hard to tell which ones are

> > which. Does
> > > > anybody here know off the top of their head which relays

> > to look at?
> > >
> > > Check the fusible links as I stated earlier, thats you you

> > want to start.
> > >

> >
> > Also, one other caution about fusible links, check the
> > connectors too. I
> > once had a fusible link on my Datsun go, and the link looked
> > perfectly
> > fine (wasn't all bubbly or burned insulation) the problem was
> > that
> > corrosion had got down and ruined the crimp connection from
> > the
> > wire that made up the link, to the plastic end connector on
> > the link.
> >
> > Ted

>
> If you don't have any luck finding the fan relay in the PDC (under
> bonnet fuse box) then your vehicle will have a solid state relay
> system......it's found on the nearside front chassis leg ( easy to
> find once you know it's there but a pig when you don't ! )
>
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Not so on that year vehicle!!


 




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