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  #81  
Old May 29th 05, 04:21 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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And what was wrong with these "Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the
60 degree V6's"?
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> There were a lot of them. There still are.
>
> GM made the Vega, the Monza, the X-bodies, the 60 degree V6's, in fact
> they did not build a single decent small car for a roughly twenty year
> period.It wasn't until the Saturn GM had a small car it could look to
> with any self-respect at all. Chrysler built and still builds an
> entire generation of minivans with marginal transmissions and the
> horrible Neon.
>
> For what it's worth, for the weight and money, if new car buyers
> bought strictly according to reliability and cost per mile, Detroit's
> passenger car line would be in even worse shape than it is. And their
> big truck lines are selling mostly on the basis of macho and status
> rather than as work trucks-most people do not need that big a truck.
> Somewhere between a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Dakota is the right size.
> If they would offer a Dakota size pickup with the 4 cylinder Cummins
> and a full tilt fiberglass hood like a Freightliner, it would probably
> be the best selling _work_ truck for fleet use in the country-that's
> who's buying Rangers. If you need a "full size pickup" for actual
> work, you probably need a _medium duty truck_ and not a pickup, like
> the small Internationals, the Isuzu Chevy forward cabs, or similar.
>
> And another thing, the toughest industrial engines are Toyotas. Based
> on my company's record with forklifts, I would buy no other brand of
> lift truck. Hyster and Clark simply cannot compete on downtime and
> overall operating expense.

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Old May 29th 05, 04:28 AM
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I don't know of any "soft" camshafts made by anyone.
GM, shouldn't have made the nineteen to one, from the standard
passenger car's 350" small block. They failed because people including
the tanker truck drivers kept put gasoline into them.
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Stephen Cowell wrote:
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> Here's two... soft '80s Olds camshafts, and the conversion
> diesels. Plenty more where that came from... now you can't
> say 'never' again!
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> Steve
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Old May 29th 05, 04:30 AM
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AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation?
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Ruel Smith wrote:
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> I was referring to American Motors Corporation, not American cars in
> general. Hey, I knew plenty of people that owned Hornets, Gremlins,
> Matadors, Pacers, Spirits and Eagles in my lifetime, and AMC has never had
> a reputation for reliability. Whether that's true based on facts or not is
> not being debated. I'm only referring to their reputation.
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Old May 29th 05, 05:02 AM
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Nathan W. Collier wrote:

> as for what makes middle class, i suggest you get more familiar with
> economics. $20 an hour is lower middle class. not that theres anything
> wrong with lower middle class, but that is indeed where it falls.


You got arguing with a brick wall correct... I also restated that they don't
pull 80 book hours every week - that week to week it varies based on their
output, and that the original statement was a simplified one where I simply
did some crude math. Buddy, I know mechanics that work in a dealership that
make _very_ good money. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to afford
those $15,000 toolboxes and the $25,000 they invest in tools for their
trade. Yeah, they're not poor...

Let me say this: You're comparing apples and oranges. $20 an hour on a
normal job isn't that much money. But, $20 an hour on a flat rate basis,
where you get paid on book time is a world different. It's not the same...
You're obviously too stupid to understand that point...


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Old May 29th 05, 05:06 AM
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L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:

> AGAIN,Â*youÂ*failÂ*toÂ*giveÂ*meÂ*anÂ*example.Â*Wha tÂ*reputation?


They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around
then?


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Old May 29th 05, 05:20 AM
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L.W.(ßill) Hughes III > wrote:

> And what was wrong with these "Vega,


A much shorter essay would be the list of what was right with the Vega.

The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded.
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Old May 29th 05, 05:23 AM
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Geez, don't just say they had a reputation for being inferior,
without telling me what you thought was inferior? I didn't like shifting
from their dash, I didn't like their little economy engines, in little
bodies with fender skirts, and fish bowl appearance. They had
refrigerator door handles because the big three, had the patens on all
the push buttons.
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Ruel Smith wrote:
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> L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:
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> > AGAIN, you fail to give me an example. What reputation?

>
> They had a reputation as being inferior to the Big 3. Were you not around
> then?
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Old May 29th 05, 05:35 AM
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ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE! I'll give you one! They had an
aluminum, steel sleeved engine which meant, like all modern engines you
must change the coolant by every two years, otherwise like all engines
of today electrolysis destroys the block, same with the Buick aluminum
V8 engine which work perfect in the Land Rover.
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RJR wrote:
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> The car was a disaster from every dimension a car can be graded.

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Old May 29th 05, 05:47 AM
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L.W.(ßill) Hughes III > wrote:

> ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONE EXAMPLE!


In addition to the badly engineered aluminum engine, the Vega was the
worst rust bucket I ever saw.

Second worst, by the way, was the full size Chevy Blazer.
 




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