Running Lockers in 4HI (rubicon)

I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply
because the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This
question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if
somebody could give me a link to the information I would really
appreciate it.


scott

My opinion is that if the trail conditions are tough enough that you
need lockers, you can't drive fast enough to be in 4Hi.

s m wrote:
> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
> this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply
> because the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This
> question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if
> somebody could give me a link to the information I would really
> appreciate it.
>
>
> scott

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

One "CON" might be an increased likelihood of flipping the vehicle over at
speed. That pretty much wipes out any "PRO"s I can think of.

Earle

"s m" > wrote in message
news:iLAsg.116513$Ce1.24359@dukeread01...
> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
> this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply
> because the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This
> question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if
> somebody could give me a link to the information I would really
> appreciate it.
>
>
> scott

I agree with Jerry. If you need lockers, you need to be in 4lo. I would not
want a front locker engaged at any speed not allowed in 4lo.

Carl


"s m" > wrote in message
news:iLAsg.116513$Ce1.24359@dukeread01...
>I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
>lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will allow
>you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making this
>change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply because
>the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This question has
>probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if somebody could give me
>a link to the information I would really appreciate it.
>
>
> scott

An exception might be muddy logging roads in the bog areas. Lo range and
you work the gear lever so much that you lose momentum.

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> My opinion is that if the trail conditions are tough enough that you
> need lockers, you can't drive fast enough to be in 4Hi.
>
> s m wrote:
>
>> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
>> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
>> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
>> this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something
>> simply because the vehicle is not designed to run in this
>> configuration? This question has probably been asked a 1000 times on
>> this list but if somebody could give me a link to the information I
>> would really appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> scott
>
>

s m wrote:
> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
> this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply
> because the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This
> question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if
> somebody could give me a link to the information I would really
> appreciate it.
>
>
> scott

Well first off Scott, I want to start by saying that if you know what
you're doing when it comes to wheelin' and/or you live in a climate
like I do in Watertown, NY (avg. snowfall for Dec alone = 26in.) then
you don't want some factory imposed restriction that keeps their
lawsuits down in your Jeep. If you need that extra wheel spin to sling
mud out of your "Mud Terrains" than go ahead and make the
adjustment you need. The only thing is, you'd be a fool to have them
locked up between obstacles; that's when you'll get yourself in
trouble. You'd also be a fool to pay for a kit to bypass this factory
(lawyer) imposed limitation.
There's two ways you can do it. One is safe and costs about $10 and
the other is not so safe and I won't even get into it. Here's how
ya do it:
1. Buy yourself a good quality switch. I'd recommend an aircraft
style toggle switch.
You'll be using this switch to "ARM" your lockers. You can write
ARM above the switch if you want to look cool.
2. Get to the back of your locker controls switch panel below your air
conditioner controls. If you need me to explain how to get there just
post a message you want me to and I will, short on time right now.
3. Look at the wiring harness going into the Axle Lock switch and find
the red wire with the white stripe and the black wire.
4. Tap the switch you bought into these two wires and mount the new
switch in the open space to the right of your Axle Lock switch.
5. Put it all back together and you're done. You'll now be able to
switch into locked at 4H, as long as you're under 10 mph. The red
w/white wire allows the system to be locked when it's grounded. In
the factory setting this wire becomes grounded when you shift into 4L,
but now it will also be grounded when you hit your "ARM" switch.
Happy Wheelin'
-Aaron

Similarly crossing wider stretches of dry sand where losing momentum can
mean a long day towing out.

RoyJ proclaimed:

> An exception might be muddy logging roads in the bog areas. Lo range and
> you work the gear lever so much that you lose momentum.
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>> My opinion is that if the trail conditions are tough enough that you
>> need lockers, you can't drive fast enough to be in 4Hi.
>>
>> s m wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
>>> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
>>> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of
>>> making this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking
>>> something simply because the vehicle is not designed to run in this
>>> configuration? This question has probably been asked a 1000 times on
>>> this list but if somebody could give me a link to the information I
>>> would really appreciate it.
>>>
>>>
>>> scott
>>
>>
>>

Come on Earle!

We've been running lockers in 4HI for decades. I have lockers in my CJ that
always operate in 4HI.




"Earle Horton" > wrote in message
m...
> One "CON" might be an increased likelihood of flipping the vehicle over at
> speed. That pretty much wipes out any "PRO"s I can think of.
>
> Earle
>
> "s m" > wrote in message
> news:iLAsg.116513$Ce1.24359@dukeread01...
>> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
>> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
>> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
>> this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply
>> because the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This
>> question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if
>> somebody could give me a link to the information I would really
>> appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> scott
>
>

Serious!

Jerry slipped a cog, lots of guys run lockers in 4HI. I find that my lockers
keep me from needing 4LO because I can get through stuff in 1st that would
need 3rd in LO Range.





"Carl" > wrote in message
...
>I agree with Jerry. If you need lockers, you need to be in 4lo. I would not
>want a front locker engaged at any speed not allowed in 4lo.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "s m" > wrote in message
> news:iLAsg.116513$Ce1.24359@dukeread01...
>>I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
>>lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will allow
>>you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making this
>>change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply because
>>the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This question
>>has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if somebody could
>>give me a link to the information I would really appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> scott
>
>

I'm going to sit over here and shut the **** up.

I've been running front and rear lockers in my Jeep for EVER. I've never had
a problem that can be pointed to the lockers, well besides sliding sideways
on the banks of my local creek bed where I probably ought not have been
anyway.

The only hazard I would guard against is the possibility of drivetrain
damage that results from having too much traction and no wheel-slip.




"Aaron" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> s m wrote:
>> I have heard of guys rewiring their rubicons to allow them to use the
>> lockers in 4HI. I see that you can also buy kits on EBAY that will
>> allow you to do the same thing. What are he PRO's and CON's of making
>> this change? Would I be taking the chance of breaking something simply
>> because the vehicle is not designed to run in this configuration? This
>> question has probably been asked a 1000 times on this list but if
>> somebody could give me a link to the information I would really
>> appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> scott
>
> Well first off Scott, I want to start by saying that if you know what
> you're doing when it comes to wheelin' and/or you live in a climate
> like I do in Watertown, NY (avg. snowfall for Dec alone = 26in.) then
> you don't want some factory imposed restriction that keeps their
> lawsuits down in your Jeep. If you need that extra wheel spin to sling
> mud out of your "Mud Terrains" than go ahead and make the
> adjustment you need. The only thing is, you'd be a fool to have them
> locked up between obstacles; that's when you'll get yourself in
> trouble. You'd also be a fool to pay for a kit to bypass this factory
> (lawyer) imposed limitation.
> There's two ways you can do it. One is safe and costs about $10 and
> the other is not so safe and I won't even get into it. Here's how
> ya do it:
> 1. Buy yourself a good quality switch. I'd recommend an aircraft
> style toggle switch.
> You'll be using this switch to "ARM" your lockers. You can write
> ARM above the switch if you want to look cool.
> 2. Get to the back of your locker controls switch panel below your air
> conditioner controls. If you need me to explain how to get there just
> post a message you want me to and I will, short on time right now.
> 3. Look at the wiring harness going into the Axle Lock switch and find
> the red wire with the white stripe and the black wire.
> 4. Tap the switch you bought into these two wires and mount the new
> switch in the open space to the right of your Axle Lock switch.
> 5. Put it all back together and you're done. You'll now be able to
> switch into locked at 4H, as long as you're under 10 mph. The red
> w/white wire allows the system to be locked when it's grounded. In
> the factory setting this wire becomes grounded when you shift into 4L,
> but now it will also be grounded when you hit your "ARM" switch.
> Happy Wheelin'
> -Aaron
>