A complete Newbie needs help

On Tue, 31 May 2005 22:25:48 GMT, "Tim Rogers" >
wrote:

>"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
>news:YZZme.61918$sy6.50321@lakeread04...
>>
>> John, John, John....i know you are a little under the weather now, and
>> probably need a pick-me-up, so you feel free to **** off too...okay? LOL
>>
>>
>
>...........What about me? It's been a long time since you've told me to ****
>off.
>
>
>timmy
>

**** off, Timmy. (Just filling in for Chris since he doesn't seem to
be around right now). As always, glad I could help! :-)

"Shag" > wrote in message

>>
>>...........What about me? It's been a long time since you've told me to
>>****
>>off.
>>
>>
>>timmy
>>
>
> **** off, Timmy. (Just filling in for Chris since he doesn't seem to
> be around right now). As always, glad I could help! :-)
>

thanks shag, but i don't want timmy mad at me...i got this one....
here ya go tim....<G>
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Mr.mechanic supremo Tribiani.My,my,my,.I guess both barrels are in order so
duck.A/A chock does nothing but improve the air/fuel mixture (by decreasing
the airflow with a plate)to make a cold engine drivable sooner.It does not
make the engine warm up any differently.If anything it will warm up slower
due to a rich mixture.It is a luxury for the mechanically impared,at least
in more moderate climes.Any race carb does not have a choke be it
Carter,Weber,Solex modified for FV.The plate and shaft disturb the airflow
in the throat and are not needed in that application.For a stock motor on
the street in cold weather a properly adjusted chock is a thing of
beauty.But a manual one would be better(if you knew how to use it).Cheers.
"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
news:SvZme.61916$sy6.3129@lakeread04...
>
> "ilambert" > wrote in message
> ...
>> J.T.,chill out.Ya,that did sound rather paranoid,but it's only my opinion
>> based only on my own experience and feelings.Your beanie cracks are way
>> out of line.Armchair mechanic?wrong,but you are the "expert"so I won't
>> waste time argueing the point (which is rather pointless anyway).
>
> **** off pondscum...we seemed to be having a sensible discussion till you
> got your feelings hurt because i don't agree with you...nor does most of
> the world....and yes it does see you are quite the armchair
> mechanic....now before i forget, **** off....
>

"ilambert" > wrote in message
...
> [...] Any race carb does not have a choke be it Carter,Weber,Solex
> modified for FV.The plate and shaft disturb the airflow in the throat and
> are not needed in that application.

Incorrect. The Weber 44mm has a choke and no shaft or butterfly. So does
the side-draft. It is an enrichening circuit. It is not often hooked up, but
it is in there.

On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:23:23 -0400, "ilambert" >
wrote:

>Mr.mechanic supremo Tribiani.My,my,my,.I guess both barrels are in order so
>duck.A/A chock does nothing but improve the air/fuel mixture (by decreasing
>the airflow with a plate)to make a cold engine drivable sooner.

Chock? I use a piece of firewood to chock my wheels when I'm jacking
up the car. You mean I could also use that chunk of wood to somehow
improve my air/fuel mixture? SWEET!!! :-) Muir never taught me
that! Give! *retarded, anxious look*

On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:53:53 -0500, "johnboy" >
wrote:

>
>"ilambert" > wrote in message
...
>> [...] Any race carb does not have a choke be it Carter,Weber,Solex
>> modified for FV.The plate and shaft disturb the airflow in the throat and
>> are not needed in that application.
>
>Incorrect. The Weber 44mm has a choke and no shaft or butterfly. So does
>the side-draft. It is an enrichening circuit. It is not often hooked up, but
>it is in there.
>

Sort of like your thumb now? :-) Not exactly hooked up, but it's
there? :-X Don't laugh! It'll only hurt! ;-)

"Shag" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:53:53 -0500, "johnboy" >

>>Incorrect. The Weber 44mm has a choke and no shaft or butterfly. So does
>>the side-draft. It is an enrichening circuit. It is not often hooked up,
>>but
>>it is in there.
>>
>
> Sort of like your thumb now? :-) Not exactly hooked up, but it's
> there? :-X Don't laugh! It'll only hurt! ;-)

hey, I'm just glad the thing didn't fall on my dick. my luck, ya know.

On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:09:30 -0500, "johnboy" >
wrote:

>"Shag" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:53:53 -0500, "johnboy" >
>
>>>Incorrect. The Weber 44mm has a choke and no shaft or butterfly. So does
>>>the side-draft. It is an enrichening circuit. It is not often hooked up,
>>>but
>>>it is in there.
>>>
>>
>> Sort of like your thumb now? :-) Not exactly hooked up, but it's
>> there? :-X Don't laugh! It'll only hurt! ;-)
>
>hey, I'm just glad the thing didn't fall on my dick. my luck, ya know.
>

It was just probability at work, you know? You have 2 objects. Your
thumb, and your dick. Something falls. More likely it will fall onto
the larger of the two objects. I hope your thumb gets better soon.
:-D

On a T4 2L with stock L-Jetronic FI so intake airflow to all cyls was very
close to equal. Cooling air is less to #3 due to the oil cooler. It was a
rectangle port exhaust so the exhaust was pretty close to equal on all 4
also. Honing a half a thou off #3 cyl wall made major difference. -BaH
OH - BTW, I had the "choke circuit" (Cold start injector) set up to operate
by switch at the drivers seat. Helped for passing and those times I
absolutely positively needed to go over 100mph!

"ilambert" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the input BusH.I for one like other viewpoints .Was this on a
pre
> doghouse motor?A "corrected"dizzy?
> "Busahaulic" > wrote in message
> ...
> > **UP HERE** (Another damned top poster!)
> > With the quad CHT gauge it was really interesting to watch the
differences
> > between the individual cylinders as they heated up. I got #3 to behave
> > pretty much the same as #1 by honing it to a looser piston fit. Before
> > that,
> > #3 was always 50° warmer than #1. #2 & #4 were always a bit cooler than
> > 1&3
> > until the engine was put under a hard load. The four CHT gauge needles
> > would
> > fall into line and behave in perfect unison to the top of the hill, then
> > when the load was gone, they'd go back to doing their own thing.
> >
> > WTH does this have to do with the thread? Nothing, I guess, but I'm
> > gettin'
> > on in years and most any comment can trigger one of my stories! - BaH
> >
> > "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
> > news:PBPme.61892$sy6.60656@lakeread04...
> >>
> >> "ilambert" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > The engine is going to warm up if you let it idle chokeless,drive
> >> > immeddiatly or let it come to tempbefore moving.I just have alway let
> > any
> >> > motor(car,boat,bike,tool)warm a bit before use.Mechanical karma I
> > guess.As
> >> > for manufacturors suggestions,remember these are the people that want
> >> > to
> >> > sell you a new whatever,so if you choose to drive away with the choke
> >> > on,loading the motor while washing down the cylinders with raw
gas,have
> > at
> >> > it.The wear on a cold motor will happen either way.A pre-luber is one
> >> > answer.
> >>
> >>
> >> pre luber only helps with "dry" starts...period...doesn't compensate
for
> >> wear that happens when the engine isn't running within its designed
> >> parameters, as far as tollerances....such as when cold...th engine may
> >> eventually come up to temp at idle, but it sure won't be quick or
> >> even....let your aircooler run at idle and watch your guages....you can
> > see
> >> exactly *how* long it takes to come up to temp....had this discussion
on
> >> thesamba awhile back.....my car idled in my driveway for twenty minutes
> > and
> >> the thermostat never opened more than halfway....can't see how you
could
> >> even consider that "warmed up"...but to each his own...as far as
driving
> >> away with the choke on and "washing" the cylinders it won't happen...if
> > you
> >> "load" the *engine* as you describe the choke opens up, as it is
designed
> > to
> >> do....but as i have said to people before, don't take my word for
> > it....pop
> >> off your aircleaner and check it out for yourself....even in the dead
of
> >> winter a healthy choke element will open very quickly when adjusted
> >> properly....the factory recommendations you dismiss are not some
alterior
> >> motive to get your money for failed parts....do you wear a tinfoil
beanie
> >> and paint your windows so no one can watch you? or just another
armchair
> >> mechanic?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"ilambert" > wrote in message
...
> Mr.mechanic supremo Tribiani.My,my,my,.I guess both barrels are in order
> so duck.A/A chock does nothing but improve the air/fuel mixture (by
> decreasing the airflow with a plate)to make a cold engine drivable
> sooner.It does not make the engine warm up any differently.If anything it
> will warm up slower due to a rich mixture.It is a luxury for the
> mechanically impared,at least in more moderate climes.Any race carb does
> not have a choke be it Carter,Weber,Solex modified for FV.The plate and
> shaft disturb the airflow in the throat and are not needed in that
> application.For a stock motor on the street in cold weather a properly
> adjusted chock is a thing of beauty.But a manual one would be better(if
> you knew how to use it).Cheers.


so funny....trying to throw insults as if *I* don't know what *I'm* talking
about...do you read the threads you throw your novice bull**** into? i
posted a long and very accurate account of what can and sometimes WILL
happen when a dumb**** like you disables their choke(not spelling)... the
choke does not "do nothing but improve the air/fuel mixture" in our vw's it
*ensures* it... with a centermount carb(as is the subject here, stock vw's,
thanks for following) and LONG cold runners you get a lean condition at the
combustion chamber...you can't argue that it is a fact....the fuel will not
atomize and remain in suspension when it is that cold...*something* has to
compensate for the fuel that falls out of suspension....it is either a choke
or the driver....most drivers are not able to do this without actually
flooding the engine....i explained this already, but i'm not surprised your
pea brain did not absorb it.... as far as the list of carbs you threw out
and labeled as "race" carbs, they are not....for *our* cars, maybe you would
consider them "race" carbs, however they are actually adaptations from
existing applications....and surprise they are all available with the
****ing choke....however, since we as vw "performance" enthusiasts or
"racers" use them in pairs we don't need the choke...know why? didn't think
so....because the LONG cold runners are now damn near a straight ****ing
shot to the intake...so not a necessity...got it yet armchair? don't load
the gun if you are too ****ing stupid to pull the trigger....now do as i
said and **** off....****ing amateurs **** me off regurgitating **** they
don't know....at least read up so you sound like you know what you are
spewing....