Ford Fusion reverse gear

"Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:43:35 -0500, Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
>> Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>>> Jim Warman wrote:
>>> >
>>> There are no noises from the transmission. The car has only 21,000
>>> miles on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> take it back to the factory shop ... don't think it will cost you a
>>> thing ... warrenty thingy as it must be a new car even if it is a 2006
>>> would think.
>>>
>>> wow ... what a buy kinda sort of thing.
>>>
>>> 3 years old and only what ... 500 miles a month roadwork so far.
>>>
>>> on the face of it ... you got a good deal and it is worth keeping
>>> around perhaps.
>>>
>>> sumbuddie just making wild guess now
>>>
>>> :?
>>>
>>>
>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>
> I *THINK* he was telling him to take it do the dealer and try to press for
> warranty repair. I know Toyota now has 3 years, 36,000 miles, and if they
> have a warranty like that on good cars, Ford must cover them for life...
>
>
> *STOP THE FLAMES!!!* I like Fords. Except Focuses. Cool car with the
> reliablitiy of a Volkswagen...
>
>
>

Guess I really screwed up then. In '92, I bought a 1988 VW Fox GL wagon.
1.8L/4 speed manual. I put alot of money into it, but nowhere near matchng
new car payments of any vehicle for a few years. 35 city/highway average.
Clutch assembly replaced twice, tranny once, same engine in its lifetime.
Was reliable till last year. Car pulled left from opposing lane in front of
me. VW was beyond economical repair, beyond total insurance reimbursement.
Mileage was over 350K.

Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down on a
2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended warranty as
well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had dealer change
oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance done. Approx. 6700
miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?
--
Dave

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:47:09 -0500, Dioclese wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:43:35 -0500, Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>>>> Jim Warman wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> There are no noises from the transmission. The car has only 21,000
>>>> miles on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> take it back to the factory shop ... don't think it will cost you a
>>>> thing ... warrenty thingy as it must be a new car even if it is a 2006
>>>> would think.
>>>>
>>>> wow ... what a buy kinda sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> 3 years old and only what ... 500 miles a month roadwork so far.
>>>>
>>>> on the face of it ... you got a good deal and it is worth keeping
>>>> around perhaps.
>>>>
>>>> sumbuddie just making wild guess now
>>>>
>>>> :?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>>
>> I *THINK* he was telling him to take it do the dealer and try to press for
>> warranty repair. I know Toyota now has 3 years, 36,000 miles, and if they
>> have a warranty like that on good cars, Ford must cover them for life...
>>
>>
>> *STOP THE FLAMES!!!* I like Fords. Except Focuses. Cool car with the
>> reliablitiy of a Volkswagen...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Guess I really screwed up then. In '92, I bought a 1988 VW Fox GL wagon.
> 1.8L/4 speed manual. I put alot of money into it, but nowhere near matchng
> new car payments of any vehicle for a few years. 35 city/highway average.
> Clutch assembly replaced twice, tranny once, same engine in its lifetime.
> Was reliable till last year. Car pulled left from opposing lane in front of
> me. VW was beyond economical repair, beyond total insurance reimbursement.
> Mileage was over 350K.

Hmmm....same motor as my Jetta.
Fox wagon was a cool car. And I know of some Rabbit diesel 'trucks' that
have gone >500,000 miles!!

They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
But if you get a bad one...

Too bad they can't get a better hold of their quality control. VW makes
some very cool cars.

>
> Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down
> on a 2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended
> warranty as well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had
> dealer change oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance
> done. Approx. 6700 miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?


I wouldn't hold my breath...

"Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" > wrote in message
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>
> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
> But if you get a bad one...


I have owned two Passats, and they were both darn good, but I have had
friends who owned
them (Passats and the new Beetle) and they were a PITA. It IS sporadic.

I wrote to the CEO of VWUSA a couple of years ago and entreated him to
become involved
to improve the quality and to support the client. I, not unexpectedly, got
a reply that he
was deeply involved, dedicated to improving quality, etc etc.

Action talks, bull**** walks

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:33:21 -0500, HLS wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" > wrote in message
> news >
>>
>> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
>> But if you get a bad one...
>
>
> I have owned two Passats, and they were both darn good, but I have had
> friends who owned
> them (Passats and the new Beetle) and they were a PITA. It IS sporadic.
>
> I wrote to the CEO of VWUSA a couple of years ago and entreated him to
> become involved
> to improve the quality and to support the client. I, not unexpectedly, got
> a reply that he
> was deeply involved, dedicated to improving quality, etc etc.
>
> Action talks, bull**** walks


That's why VW had to extend warraties long before Hyundai did...

"Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:47:09 -0500, Dioclese wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:43:35 -0500, Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>>>>> Jim Warman wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> There are no noises from the transmission. The car has only 21,000
>>>>> miles on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> take it back to the factory shop ... don't think it will cost you a
>>>>> thing ... warrenty thingy as it must be a new car even if it is a 2006
>>>>> would think.
>>>>>
>>>>> wow ... what a buy kinda sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 years old and only what ... 500 miles a month roadwork so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> on the face of it ... you got a good deal and it is worth keeping
>>>>> around perhaps.
>>>>>
>>>>> sumbuddie just making wild guess now
>>>>>
>>>>> :?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>>>
>>> I *THINK* he was telling him to take it do the dealer and try to press
>>> for
>>> warranty repair. I know Toyota now has 3 years, 36,000 miles, and if
>>> they
>>> have a warranty like that on good cars, Ford must cover them for life...
>>>
>>>
>>> *STOP THE FLAMES!!!* I like Fords. Except Focuses. Cool car with the
>>> reliablitiy of a Volkswagen...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Guess I really screwed up then. In '92, I bought a 1988 VW Fox GL wagon.
>> 1.8L/4 speed manual. I put alot of money into it, but nowhere near
>> matchng
>> new car payments of any vehicle for a few years. 35 city/highway
>> average.
>> Clutch assembly replaced twice, tranny once, same engine in its lifetime.
>> Was reliable till last year. Car pulled left from opposing lane in front
>> of
>> me. VW was beyond economical repair, beyond total insurance
>> reimbursement.
>> Mileage was over 350K.
>
> Hmmm....same motor as my Jetta.
> Fox wagon was a cool car. And I know of some Rabbit diesel 'trucks' that
> have gone >500,000 miles!!
>
> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
> But if you get a bad one...
>

One can say that about any make/model car. They're called "lemons". My
personal experience with VWs is before the mid-90s, they were by and large
dependable at the very least.

> Too bad they can't get a better hold of their quality control. VW makes
> some very cool cars.
>

VW quality control went when they went fishing for the bigger market almost
a decade ago
..
>>
>> Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down
>> on a 2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended
>> warranty as well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had
>> dealer change oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance
>> done. Approx. 6700 miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?
>
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath...
>
>

Maybe I won't have to. The rate I'm going, it'll be 12 years until I hit
100K miles. By then, my detached garage roof will be covered with solar
cells and the garage will house a Ford electric plug-in.
--
Dave

HLS > wrote:
>
>I have owned two Passats, and they were both darn good, but I have had
>friends who owned
>them (Passats and the new Beetle) and they were a PITA. It IS sporadic.

The Passat has some very good points, but it is clearly not designed with
any thought to repair. To do even routine work in the engine compartment
requires extensive dissasembly.

>I wrote to the CEO of VWUSA a couple of years ago and entreated him to
>become involved
>to improve the quality and to support the client. I, not unexpectedly, got
>a reply that he
>was deeply involved, dedicated to improving quality, etc etc.

The problem is that his notion of quality is probably not the same as my
notion of quality. I can live with readily-repaired defects that he might
not consider acceptable, and I'm extremely frustrated by the sort of repair
procedures that he probably considers reasonable.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...

> The problem is that his notion of quality is probably not the same as my
> notion of quality. I can live with readily-repaired defects that he might
> not consider acceptable, and I'm extremely frustrated by the sort of
> repair
> procedures that he probably considers reasonable.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Some of the biggest complaints I heard about were electrical system
problems. If there
were one focusable electrical unit problem, that might be more easily fixed.
When the
problem is spread over a "system", you may never get everything fixed and
working
correctly.

It is, IMO, a matter of taking responsibility for citruslike product...maybe
not total lemons
approaching them. GM never did very well at this either, until their ox was
in the ditch.

HLS > wrote:
>Some of the biggest complaints I heard about were electrical system
>problems. If there
>were one focusable electrical unit problem, that might be more easily fixed.
>When the
>problem is spread over a "system", you may never get everything fixed and
>working
>correctly.

This is increasingly becoming a problem for ALL car manufacturers. The
complexity of the electrical systems is increasing exponentially, and the
knowledge of the dealer mechanics is not increasing at the same rate. On
top of that, most of this stuff is designed to be replaced in large expensive
modules, in order to make troubleshooting easier. This means even minor
repairs become expensive, and even worse it means that board-swapping
"changineers" can very rapidly turn a minor problem into an enormous expense.

>It is, IMO, a matter of taking responsibility for citruslike product...maybe
>not total lemons
>approaching them. GM never did very well at this either, until their ox was
>in the ditch.

Hell, look at Mercedes...... and don't even get me started on the newer
BMW electronics...
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:30:59 -0500, Dioclese wrote:

>> Hmmm....same motor as my Jetta.
>> Fox wagon was a cool car. And I know of some Rabbit diesel 'trucks' that
>> have gone >500,000 miles!!
>>
>> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
>> But if you get a bad one...
>>
>
> One can say that about any make/model car. They're called "lemons". My
> personal experience with VWs is before the mid-90s, they were by and large
> dependable at the very least.

I was talking to a guy I know today who bought a GMC p/u from me when I
used to sell used cars. 100,000 miles and one tranny later, the thing is
still going. He loads about 3 tons of scrap in it regularly to bring to
the recycler's.

I said to him, pointing to my Scion, "Toyota occasionally makes a lemon,
GM ocassionally makes a good one..."

Generalization, but GM would be in better shape if their paradigm more
closely matched Toyota's...


>
>> Too bad they can't get a better hold of their quality control. VW makes
>> some very cool cars.
>>
>
> VW quality control went when they went fishing for the bigger market almost
> a decade ago

Actually, the Rabbit was kind of hit or miss, too. For every 3 good ones
there was one really horrible copy.

> .
>>>
>>> Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down
>>> on a 2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended
>>> warranty as well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had
>>> dealer change oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance
>>> done. Approx. 6700 miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't hold my breath...
>>
>>
>
> Maybe I won't have to. The rate I'm going, it'll be 12 years until I hit
> 100K miles. By then, my detached garage roof will be covered with solar
> cells and the garage will house a Ford electric plug-in.
> --


My tC is a 2005 with 26,000 miles. I'll get there sooner, but not by much...