had one ... but the doors fell off

You know, its is ashame, i will never dispute that the foriegn cars are
built 100% better then the domestic vehicles, and that goes for quality
also, if i took 100 Chrysler cars and 100 foriegn cars and inspected them
brand new, i would problems with the domestic ones and maybe not one with
the the foriegn, and it has been like that as far as i can remember
"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
...
> damnnickname wrote:
>
> > My wife had a 94 caravan that her door was falling down on the drivers
> > side, she was backing up with the door open and hit my truck, it sprung
> > the hindge that i never had fixed, over time the door support started
> > cracking and the door was coming off, not chryslers problem, but my own,
I
> > had seen a bolt shear off the lift gate before, only because the owner
> > would let the door slam open, in turn springing the hindges, now you
state
> > you were rear ended??? you may have also sprung the hindge, and over
time
> > sheared the bolt, , and the front end accident, who is to say it was
> > assembled properly, im just saying that The caravan does not have those
> > problems, and yes, over time metal does rust, especially 10 yr old metal
> > that isnt treated such as rotors. keep in mind, this is a 10 yr old
> > vehicle
> >
>
> 10 years old! Wow! I'm currently driving a 16 year old Porsche every
> day, probably soon to be replaced with my mom's 18 year old VW. Prior
> to that I had a 20 year old VW that served me well for upwards of 60K
> miles - and it had about 180K on it when I got it. I don't make excuses
> like "it's an old car" when something (rarely) breaks. Probably would
> still have the first VW today if I'd gotten more motivated to fix it up
> and fixed a few minor issues with it like the crappy paint and
> nonfunctional A/C instead of letting it sit for a year and a half :/
>
> I do, however, sadly say things like "it's a Porsche" when I belly up to
> the parts counter, however, but you expect that... But my point was, if
> you consider a car "old" and liable to break after 10 years, that's not
> a ringing endorsement of your chosen vehicle. FWIW my first car that I
> drove (I have to qualify that, the first car I actually owned was a
> street rod project that I ended up selling when I didn't get it
> completed by the time I graduated from college and had to go find a Real
> Job) was a '67 Dart with over 200K miles on it... and other than some
> issues caused by a badly executed engine swap (not by me) I *still*
> didn't have to make the "old car" excuses for it - and this was in '96
> or thereabouts. My girlfriend at the same time owned a '69 Valiant that
> was in much better shape; she drove it daily for 4 or 5 years before
> selling it for a new Passat with not much more than routine maintenance
> and a suspension rebuild that Yours Truly did for her in front of her
> apartment.
>
> The whole concept that a 10 year old vehicle is liable to have strange,
> unusual failures is one that makes me shake my head and think that
> perhaps you need to expect more from your vehicles. Maybe the OP *did*
> do some things to promote these failures, maybe he didn't, I'm not
> judging. But the whole concept that they are somehow acceptable is silly.
>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

Too bad you didn't go the Lemon Law approach when you 1st bought it and had the
vehicle replaced with another one. It would have been a good change that
another one would have been fine. I know dozen's of people with Caravan's
giving excellent service. I've owned two (a 1987 1st year Grand and my current
1997 Grand). The '87 we sold to friends in 1997 and they ran it another 5
years...the only problem they eventually had was with the smoking mitsu****ty
3.0 V6 engine.

Too bad you didn't go the Lemon Law approach when you 1st bought it and had the
vehicle replaced with another one. It would have been a good change that
another one would have been fine. I know dozen's of people with Caravan's
giving excellent service. I've owned two (a 1987 1st year Grand and my current
1997 Grand). The '87 we sold to friends in 1997 and they ran it another 5
years...the only problem they eventually had was with the smoking mitsu****ty
3.0 V6 engine.

did you have any doors fall off James?
"James C. Reeves" > wrote in message
...
> Too bad you didn't go the Lemon Law approach when you 1st bought it and
had the
> vehicle replaced with another one. It would have been a good change that
> another one would have been fine. I know dozen's of people with Caravan's
> giving excellent service. I've owned two (a 1987 1st year Grand and my
current
> 1997 Grand). The '87 we sold to friends in 1997 and they ran it another 5
> years...the only problem they eventually had was with the smoking
mitsu****ty
> 3.0 V6 engine.
>
>

did you have any doors fall off James?
"James C. Reeves" > wrote in message
...
> Too bad you didn't go the Lemon Law approach when you 1st bought it and
had the
> vehicle replaced with another one. It would have been a good change that
> another one would have been fine. I know dozen's of people with Caravan's
> giving excellent service. I've owned two (a 1987 1st year Grand and my
current
> 1997 Grand). The '87 we sold to friends in 1997 and they ran it another 5
> years...the only problem they eventually had was with the smoking
mitsu****ty
> 3.0 V6 engine.
>
>

maxpower wrote:
> You know, its is ashame, i will never dispute that the foriegn cars are
> built 100% better then the domestic vehicles, and that goes for quality
> also, if i took 100 Chrysler cars and 100 foriegn cars and inspected them
> brand new, i would problems with the domestic ones and maybe not one with
> the the foriegn, and it has been like that as far as i can remember

What are you taking? And can I get some of it? Delusions like this
would really melt away the old stress!


Matt

maxpower wrote:
> You know, its is ashame, i will never dispute that the foriegn cars are
> built 100% better then the domestic vehicles, and that goes for quality
> also, if i took 100 Chrysler cars and 100 foriegn cars and inspected them
> brand new, i would problems with the domestic ones and maybe not one with
> the the foriegn, and it has been like that as far as i can remember

What are you taking? And can I get some of it? Delusions like this
would really melt away the old stress!


Matt

Nate

a breath of fresh air - I expect a lot when I pay a lot - over $30K for
that Town and Country and in an environment like the Bay Area, where 50
year old cars aren't uncommon, saying that I shouldn't expect a well
maintained car to last more than 10 years or 180K miles is a crock.


Thanks
Peter



Nate Nagel wrote:
> damnnickname wrote:
>
>> My wife had a 94 caravan that her door was falling down on the drivers
>> side, she was backing up with the door open and hit my truck, it sprung
>> the hindge that i never had fixed, over time the door support started
>> cracking and the door was coming off, not chryslers problem, but my own, I
>> had seen a bolt shear off the lift gate before, only because the owner
>> would let the door slam open, in turn springing the hindges, now you state
>> you were rear ended??? you may have also sprung the hindge, and over time
>> sheared the bolt, , and the front end accident, who is to say it was
>> assembled properly, im just saying that The caravan does not have those
>> problems, and yes, over time metal does rust, especially 10 yr old metal
>> that isnt treated such as rotors. keep in mind, this is a 10 yr old
>> vehicle
>>
>
> 10 years old! Wow! I'm currently driving a 16 year old Porsche every
> day, probably soon to be replaced with my mom's 18 year old VW. Prior
> to that I had a 20 year old VW that served me well for upwards of 60K
> miles - and it had about 180K on it when I got it. I don't make excuses
> like "it's an old car" when something (rarely) breaks. Probably would
> still have the first VW today if I'd gotten more motivated to fix it up
> and fixed a few minor issues with it like the crappy paint and
> nonfunctional A/C instead of letting it sit for a year and a half :/
>
> I do, however, sadly say things like "it's a Porsche" when I belly up to
> the parts counter, however, but you expect that... But my point was, if
> you consider a car "old" and liable to break after 10 years, that's not
> a ringing endorsement of your chosen vehicle. FWIW my first car that I
> drove (I have to qualify that, the first car I actually owned was a
> street rod project that I ended up selling when I didn't get it
> completed by the time I graduated from college and had to go find a Real
> Job) was a '67 Dart with over 200K miles on it... and other than some
> issues caused by a badly executed engine swap (not by me) I *still*
> didn't have to make the "old car" excuses for it - and this was in '96
> or thereabouts. My girlfriend at the same time owned a '69 Valiant that
> was in much better shape; she drove it daily for 4 or 5 years before
> selling it for a new Passat with not much more than routine maintenance
> and a suspension rebuild that Yours Truly did for her in front of her
> apartment.
>
> The whole concept that a 10 year old vehicle is liable to have strange,
> unusual failures is one that makes me shake my head and think that
> perhaps you need to expect more from your vehicles. Maybe the OP *did*
> do some things to promote these failures, maybe he didn't, I'm not
> judging. But the whole concept that they are somehow acceptable is silly.
>
> nate
>

Nate

a breath of fresh air - I expect a lot when I pay a lot - over $30K for
that Town and Country and in an environment like the Bay Area, where 50
year old cars aren't uncommon, saying that I shouldn't expect a well
maintained car to last more than 10 years or 180K miles is a crock.


Thanks
Peter



Nate Nagel wrote:
> damnnickname wrote:
>
>> My wife had a 94 caravan that her door was falling down on the drivers
>> side, she was backing up with the door open and hit my truck, it sprung
>> the hindge that i never had fixed, over time the door support started
>> cracking and the door was coming off, not chryslers problem, but my own, I
>> had seen a bolt shear off the lift gate before, only because the owner
>> would let the door slam open, in turn springing the hindges, now you state
>> you were rear ended??? you may have also sprung the hindge, and over time
>> sheared the bolt, , and the front end accident, who is to say it was
>> assembled properly, im just saying that The caravan does not have those
>> problems, and yes, over time metal does rust, especially 10 yr old metal
>> that isnt treated such as rotors. keep in mind, this is a 10 yr old
>> vehicle
>>
>
> 10 years old! Wow! I'm currently driving a 16 year old Porsche every
> day, probably soon to be replaced with my mom's 18 year old VW. Prior
> to that I had a 20 year old VW that served me well for upwards of 60K
> miles - and it had about 180K on it when I got it. I don't make excuses
> like "it's an old car" when something (rarely) breaks. Probably would
> still have the first VW today if I'd gotten more motivated to fix it up
> and fixed a few minor issues with it like the crappy paint and
> nonfunctional A/C instead of letting it sit for a year and a half :/
>
> I do, however, sadly say things like "it's a Porsche" when I belly up to
> the parts counter, however, but you expect that... But my point was, if
> you consider a car "old" and liable to break after 10 years, that's not
> a ringing endorsement of your chosen vehicle. FWIW my first car that I
> drove (I have to qualify that, the first car I actually owned was a
> street rod project that I ended up selling when I didn't get it
> completed by the time I graduated from college and had to go find a Real
> Job) was a '67 Dart with over 200K miles on it... and other than some
> issues caused by a badly executed engine swap (not by me) I *still*
> didn't have to make the "old car" excuses for it - and this was in '96
> or thereabouts. My girlfriend at the same time owned a '69 Valiant that
> was in much better shape; she drove it daily for 4 or 5 years before
> selling it for a new Passat with not much more than routine maintenance
> and a suspension rebuild that Yours Truly did for her in front of her
> apartment.
>
> The whole concept that a 10 year old vehicle is liable to have strange,
> unusual failures is one that makes me shake my head and think that
> perhaps you need to expect more from your vehicles. Maybe the OP *did*
> do some things to promote these failures, maybe he didn't, I'm not
> judging. But the whole concept that they are somehow acceptable is silly.
>
> nate
>

James

looked into that, but never quite qualified, and things always seemed to
go wrong just outside of Chrysler warranty on repairs.

Yes, I've got friends who have had good luck with the Caravan/
Voyager/Town and Country - I just happened to hit an unlucky one.

Thanks
Peter

James C. Reeves wrote:
> Too bad you didn't go the Lemon Law approach when you 1st bought it and had the
> vehicle replaced with another one. It would have been a good change that
> another one would have been fine. I know dozen's of people with Caravan's
> giving excellent service. I've owned two (a 1987 1st year Grand and my current
> 1997 Grand). The '87 we sold to friends in 1997 and they ran it another 5
> years...the only problem they eventually had was with the smoking mitsu****ty
> 3.0 V6 engine.
>
>