window motor problem

Hello,
The window on our 96 Saturn SC has stopped working. Anyone have any
experience with how to get to the motor?

Thanks,
Marc

hi yeh they are a pain to change, outside panel has to come off,mirror,then
a piece of trim along top of that panel,outside door handle,then the inside
panel has to come off also, plus you need special tool to separate glass
from regulator assembly.then rivets have to be cut from motor.
i have changed both front ones on a 93. I got mine at napa but i think if
you get them from saturn you get regulator assembly with motor.

WHOA!

Suddenly the idea of switching the internals of my 95 manual door
window setup with my 94's electric windows sounds like a challenge
greater than is really feasable....

-WaV

justastreekin wrote:
> hi yeh they are a pain to change, outside panel has to come off,mirror,then
> a piece of trim along top of that panel,outside door handle,then the inside
> panel has to come off also, plus you need special tool to separate glass
> from regulator assembly.then rivets have to be cut from motor.
> i have changed both front ones on a 93. I got mine at napa but i think if
> you get them from saturn you get regulator assembly with motor.

I've pulled window regulators several times. It's not too difficult or
time-consuming. Hardest part is getting the fasteners off which attach the
regulator to the window glass without breaking (or being afraid of breaking)
the glass. I've been able to do it with some practice with a good quality
Visegrips, penetrant, and lots of patience. But the special tool would make
it a lot easier.

Drilling out/grinding the rivets shouldn't be a problem either. Just buy a
Haynes/Chilton manual and take your time and you can do it.

Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
---
Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com


"justastreekin" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> hi yeh they are a pain to change, outside panel has to come
> off,mirror,then
> a piece of trim along top of that panel,outside door handle,then the
> inside
> panel has to come off also, plus you need special tool to separate glass
> from regulator assembly.then rivets have to be cut from motor.
> i have changed both front ones on a 93. I got mine at napa but i think if
> you get them from saturn you get regulator assembly with motor.
>
>

As I lazily contemplate the very most easiest way to fix things, I had
to wonder:

How about exchanging the interior and exterior panels, then removing
and swapping out the DOOR completely?
Hmmm?
-WaV

======= If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from
morons? =====
Lane wrote:
> I've pulled window regulators several times. It's not too difficult or
> time-consuming. Hardest part is getting the fasteners off which attach the
> regulator to the window glass without breaking (or being afraid of breaking)
> the glass. I've been able to do it with some practice with a good quality
> Visegrips, penetrant, and lots of patience. But the special tool would make
> it a lot easier.
>
> Drilling out/grinding the rivets shouldn't be a problem either. Just buy a
> Haynes/Chilton manual and take your time and you can do it.
>
> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
> ---
> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com
>
>
> "justastreekin" > wrote in message
> lkaboutautos.com...
> > hi yeh they are a pain to change, outside panel has to come
> > off,mirror,then
> > a piece of trim along top of that panel,outside door handle,then the
> > inside
> > panel has to come off also, plus you need special tool to separate glass
> > from regulator assembly.then rivets have to be cut from motor.
> > i have changed both front ones on a 93. I got mine at napa but i think if
> > you get them from saturn you get regulator assembly with motor.
> >
> >

> How about exchanging the interior and exterior panels, then removing
> and swapping out the DOOR completely?

Are you also going to swap the lock mechanism, or re-key the new one? Ever
attempt to hang a door and put the hinge bolts in place and line up the door
without the help of someone else? I have done both, and they're no fun.
There's also the matter of pulling the power lock/window wiring out of the
door and through the boot, and snaking & fastening it inside the new door...

I have done all of these things - I'm speaking from actual experience and
not guessing or speculating. Swapping the regulator is MUCH less time
consuming. Just make sure you have a good quality ViseGrips or the proper
removal tool to get the nuts off which connect the regulator to the glass.

Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
---
Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com


"wavy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> As I lazily contemplate the very most easiest way to fix things, I had
> to wonder:
>
> How about exchanging the interior and exterior panels, then removing
> and swapping out the DOOR completely?
> Hmmm?
> -WaV
>
> ======= If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from
> morons? =====
> Lane wrote:
>> I've pulled window regulators several times. It's not too difficult or
>> time-consuming. Hardest part is getting the fasteners off which attach
>> the
>> regulator to the window glass without breaking (or being afraid of
>> breaking)
>> the glass. I've been able to do it with some practice with a good
>> quality
>> Visegrips, penetrant, and lots of patience. But the special tool would
>> make
>> it a lot easier.
>>
>> Drilling out/grinding the rivets shouldn't be a problem either. Just buy
>> a
>> Haynes/Chilton manual and take your time and you can do it.
>>
>> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
>> ---
>> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at
>> http://www.evilplastic.com
>>
>>
>> "justastreekin" > wrote in message
>> lkaboutautos.com...
>> > hi yeh they are a pain to change, outside panel has to come
>> > off,mirror,then
>> > a piece of trim along top of that panel,outside door handle,then the
>> > inside
>> > panel has to come off also, plus you need special tool to separate
>> > glass
>> > from regulator assembly.then rivets have to be cut from motor.
>> > i have changed both front ones on a 93. I got mine at napa but i think
>> > if
>> > you get them from saturn you get regulator assembly with motor.
>> >
>> >
>

Ok, ok.... I get it. It just seemed like a "cheap and easy" way to do
it backwards....
Hanging doors just LOOKS easy. (well, at least with an adjustable door
support jig).
(And grinding off rivets and stuff sounds a little scary)
=WaV

Lane wrote:
> > How about exchanging the interior and exterior panels, then removing
> > and swapping out the DOOR completely?
>
> Are you also going to swap the lock mechanism, or re-key the new one? Ever
> attempt to hang a door and put the hinge bolts in place and line up the door
> without the help of someone else? I have done both, and they're no fun.
> There's also the matter of pulling the power lock/window wiring out of the
> door and through the boot, and snaking & fastening it inside the new door...
>
> I have done all of these things - I'm speaking from actual experience and
> not guessing or speculating. Swapping the regulator is MUCH less time
> consuming. Just make sure you have a good quality ViseGrips or the proper
> removal tool to get the nuts off which connect the regulator to the glass.
>
> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
> ---
> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com
>
>
> "wavy" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > As I lazily contemplate the very most easiest way to fix things, I had
> > to wonder:
> >
> > How about exchanging the interior and exterior panels, then removing
> > and swapping out the DOOR completely?
> > Hmmm?
> > -WaV
> >
> > ======= If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from
> > morons? =====
> > Lane wrote:
> >> I've pulled window regulators several times. It's not too difficult or
> >> time-consuming. Hardest part is getting the fasteners off which attach
> >> the
> >> regulator to the window glass without breaking (or being afraid of
> >> breaking)
> >> the glass. I've been able to do it with some practice with a good
> >> quality
> >> Visegrips, penetrant, and lots of patience. But the special tool would
> >> make
> >> it a lot easier.
> >>
> >> Drilling out/grinding the rivets shouldn't be a problem either. Just buy
> >> a
> >> Haynes/Chilton manual and take your time and you can do it.
> >>
> >> Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
> >> ---
> >> Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at
> >> http://www.evilplastic.com
> >>
> >>
> >> "justastreekin" > wrote in message
> >> lkaboutautos.com...
> >> > hi yeh they are a pain to change, outside panel has to come
> >> > off,mirror,then
> >> > a piece of trim along top of that panel,outside door handle,then the
> >> > inside
> >> > panel has to come off also, plus you need special tool to separate
> >> > glass
> >> > from regulator assembly.then rivets have to be cut from motor.
> >> > i have changed both front ones on a 93. I got mine at napa but i think
> >> > if
> >> > you get them from saturn you get regulator assembly with motor.
> >> >
> >> >
> >

> consuming. Just make sure you have a good quality ViseGrips or the proper
> removal tool to get the nuts off which connect the regulator to the glass.
>

Nuts? I just moved the regulator and glass from my old door into a new
door. The glass has little plastic tabs glued to it at the bottom. The
regulator had metal tabs which into which the plastic tabs slid, with a
little plastic catch, almost like a wire connector. I unbolted the
regulator from the door, slid it to the side and in the process slid the
window glass tabs out of the metal tabs on the regulator. Removed the
glass, removed the regulator and installed both into the new door. Piece of
cake. (Ok, I ate the cake after finishing installing the regulator and
glass in the new door)

-David

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