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"It DRIVES me crazy 2" > wrote in message oups.com... <snip> > Other than yanking on the emergency brake, are there any other ideas to > stop the runaway car if this should happen? Has anyone ever experienced > this.? > > Peter > Others have already posted good stopping techniques, so I won't rehash them. I've never had it happen to me, but based on the many ways already mentioned to stop a car, I can only believe that folks that get into accidents like that don't have the proper mindset to be behind the wheel anyway. If you can't either a) calmly think your way through the problem at hand, or b) react automatically and properly, you shouldn't be out there. Pete |
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"Art Merlyn" > wrote in message ... > Why the hell do people even use cruise control? It's nothing but trouble > waiting to happen. Besides, it's one less thing that you have control > over... > Why do people use washing machines, dishwashers, refrigerators, microwaves, vacuum cleaners, automatic transmissions, air conditioners, electric light bulbs, or telephones? You can do without all of those things, but when I have hundreds of miles to eat up, I'll use the cruise control, thank you. YOU can hold the damned pedal until your feet cramp up on you. No skin off my back. -Dave |
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"Art Merlyn" > wrote in message ... > Why the hell do people even use cruise control? It's nothing but trouble > waiting to happen. Besides, it's one less thing that you have control > over... > Why do people use washing machines, dishwashers, refrigerators, microwaves, vacuum cleaners, automatic transmissions, air conditioners, electric light bulbs, or telephones? You can do without all of those things, but when I have hundreds of miles to eat up, I'll use the cruise control, thank you. YOU can hold the damned pedal until your feet cramp up on you. No skin off my back. -Dave |
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"It DRIVES me crazy 2" > wrote in message oups.com... > Last nite, the TV show, "48 Hours", showed a Florida mother guilty of > vehicular manslaughter for killing her daughter as well as > herdaughter's best friend. They were killed as the Bimmer left the road > at 80-90mph and hit a tree. Her defense was a malfunctioning cruise > control causing sudden acceleration. Experts testified that a "rogue > spark" could cause such a malfunction. BMW said that they receive about > 50 sudden acceleration claims on about 5 million cars. > > I have never thought about cruise control malfuntioning. People said > the power of the engine overcame their braking efforts and that it all > happened so quickly within a very short distance. > > Other than yanking on the emergency brake, are there any other ideas to > stop the runaway car if this should happen? Has anyone ever experienced > this.? > > Peter > Yes, I had it happen on a 1984 Ford Escort Wagon 5-Speed with a 1.8 HO engine. Happened about three times. Each time I was interstate cruising in 5th gear, so it wasn't a problem with the engine overpowering the brakes and getting the car off to the shoulder by using only the brakes. Nothing would disengage the CC. Not the Brakes. Not the off switch (or "coast" button). Not the clutch. Each time it disengaged after the ignition was cut (after getting off the road and allowing the engine to "stall" in 5th gear). |
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"It DRIVES me crazy 2" > wrote in message oups.com... > Last nite, the TV show, "48 Hours", showed a Florida mother guilty of > vehicular manslaughter for killing her daughter as well as > herdaughter's best friend. They were killed as the Bimmer left the road > at 80-90mph and hit a tree. Her defense was a malfunctioning cruise > control causing sudden acceleration. Experts testified that a "rogue > spark" could cause such a malfunction. BMW said that they receive about > 50 sudden acceleration claims on about 5 million cars. > > I have never thought about cruise control malfuntioning. People said > the power of the engine overcame their braking efforts and that it all > happened so quickly within a very short distance. > > Other than yanking on the emergency brake, are there any other ideas to > stop the runaway car if this should happen? Has anyone ever experienced > this.? > > Peter > Yes, I had it happen on a 1984 Ford Escort Wagon 5-Speed with a 1.8 HO engine. Happened about three times. Each time I was interstate cruising in 5th gear, so it wasn't a problem with the engine overpowering the brakes and getting the car off to the shoulder by using only the brakes. Nothing would disengage the CC. Not the Brakes. Not the off switch (or "coast" button). Not the clutch. Each time it disengaged after the ignition was cut (after getting off the road and allowing the engine to "stall" in 5th gear). |
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"Dave C." > wrote in message ... > > "Art Merlyn" > wrote in message > ... > > Why the hell do people even use cruise control? It's nothing but trouble > > waiting to happen. Besides, it's one less thing that you have control > > over... > > > > Why do people use washing machines, dishwashers, refrigerators, microwaves, > vacuum cleaners, automatic transmissions, air conditioners, electric light > bulbs, or telephones? You can do without all of those things, but when I > have hundreds of miles to eat up, I'll use the cruise control, thank you. > YOU can hold the damned pedal until your feet cramp up on you. No skin off > my back. You never know, it might be "skin off my back," if you encounter him and his cramped-up and/or asleep right foot can't find the brake pedal.... |
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"Dave C." > wrote in message ... > > "Art Merlyn" > wrote in message > ... > > Why the hell do people even use cruise control? It's nothing but trouble > > waiting to happen. Besides, it's one less thing that you have control > > over... > > > > Why do people use washing machines, dishwashers, refrigerators, microwaves, > vacuum cleaners, automatic transmissions, air conditioners, electric light > bulbs, or telephones? You can do without all of those things, but when I > have hundreds of miles to eat up, I'll use the cruise control, thank you. > YOU can hold the damned pedal until your feet cramp up on you. No skin off > my back. You never know, it might be "skin off my back," if you encounter him and his cramped-up and/or asleep right foot can't find the brake pedal.... |
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"Art Merlyn" > wrote in message ... > Why the hell do people even use cruise control? Don't do much long distance driving, I take it? As someone else mentioned, try driving through a state like NV or TX w/o C.C. and report back to us. > It's nothing but trouble waiting to happen. Only for an inattentive and/or incompetent driver. > Besides, it's one less thing that you have control over... Says who? So long as it has an "off," switch and only the driver can activate/deactivate it, I have complete control over it. -- Friends don't let friends shop at wal-mart or circuit city. |
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"Art Merlyn" > wrote in message ... > Why the hell do people even use cruise control? Don't do much long distance driving, I take it? As someone else mentioned, try driving through a state like NV or TX w/o C.C. and report back to us. > It's nothing but trouble waiting to happen. Only for an inattentive and/or incompetent driver. > Besides, it's one less thing that you have control over... Says who? So long as it has an "off," switch and only the driver can activate/deactivate it, I have complete control over it. -- Friends don't let friends shop at wal-mart or circuit city. |
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It DRIVES me crazy 2 a écrit :
> Last nite, the TV show, "48 Hours", showed a Florida mother guilty of > vehicular manslaughter for killing her daughter as well as > herdaughter's best friend. They were killed as the Bimmer left the road > at 80-90mph and hit a tree. Her defense was a malfunctioning cruise > control causing sudden acceleration. Experts testified that a "rogue > spark" could cause such a malfunction. BMW said that they receive about > 50 sudden acceleration claims on about 5 million cars. > > I have never thought about cruise control malfuntioning. People said > the power of the engine overcame their braking efforts and that it all > happened so quickly within a very short distance. > > Other than yanking on the emergency brake, are there any other ideas to > stop the runaway car if this should happen? Has anyone ever experienced > this.? > > Peter > The cruise on both of my Saab 900's were dead when I got them... So I fixed them, and garnered a whole lot of factory and outside info on how the system works, and it's pretty typical Basically when you turn on the cruise, the cruise computer is turned on The APC (turbocharger boost control) is turned off, so the max turbo pressure is approx 1/2 bar. When the SET SPEED button is applied, the speed reading off the speedometer monitored by the computer is set. So the car will maintain 140km/h (87mph) and it will apply extra throttle if the car slows to 139 and back off at 141. If the SET SPEED is held in, the car will accelerate moderately. Not nearly as fast as with the cruise off and your foot floored, but perhaps an increase of 2km/h/s (two kilometres per hour per second), about the same as putting it to RESUME if the car is going slow. Definately controllable. If the brake pedal or clutch is even tapped a slight amount, the cruise is turned off instantly. Not only does this disable the electronic portion of the system, it also breaks the vacuum to the vac motor that physically holds down the accelerator pedal, so if the computer went bezerk the cruise still goes off. Press SET SPEED again and it will take the new speed. Hold the switch to TIP will slow the car. So I have no idea of how you can make it accelerate without purposely taking the vac hose off and sucking on it... -- ---------------------- http://www.saab-900.tk The Saab Tech Resource ---------------------- |
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