undercoating

"Will Honea" > wrote in message
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> By the time he finnaly gets it delivered to West Nowhere (Billings),
> the paint will have had time to outgas form the sound of it <g>.

heh......now thats the truth!

> Nate, you still local to Billings? Wife says we have to run up there
> soon - grandkids need spoiling.

sure am, just bought a house in 59101. you let me know when youre headed
this way. ill make sure the beer is cold, and ive always got some buffalo
steaks on hand.

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Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

mabar says...
> My '02 TJ has a LOT of undercarriage rust. Of course, Cleveland Ohio winters
> and TONS of salt on the roads don't help. I think I am going to have my next
> new vehicle undercoated by Ziebart. Do you have a Ziebart near you Nathan?
> If so, you might want to talk to them first, before making a decision.
>
> http://www.ziebart.com/prodServicesMain.htm
>
> I would NOT trust the dealer to do a proper job.
>
> Tom
>

I gotta jump in here with an opinion based on experience. My girlfriend had
her new car Ziebarted in 1986, and returned every year for the inspection
and maintenance spray. About four years ago we discovered that the floors
were gone and half the firewall is paper-thin. For years they had been
"maintenance-spraying" the carpet from underneath. After a few non-
productive phone calls she threatened to take them to court. They finally
settled by paying her back an amount that more-or-less equaled what she had
paid them over the years for maintenance.

I'm not really sure that black goo doesn't just provide a barrier that
keeps moisture from evaporating. I'd be more inclined to just wash the
undercarriage regularly, especially if there is no salt involved.

--

Dale Beckett

> im lucky in that respect. montana doesnt use salt, instead they put out
> dirt and gravel.

Well, maybe lucky. Get a bra and/or bug deflector for the front. Oh, and
keep a good distance between you and the vehicle in front of you.
Otherwise, by the time summer gets around you'll have one ugly front end.
They did the same thing where I grew up in Alaska. Having a windshield
repair/replacement business is certainly a money maker up there!

Eric
99 TJ SE
"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message
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> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> keep in mind that since you have snow all winter (as do I) your TJ will
>> see salted roads all winter
>
> im lucky in that respect. montana doesnt use salt, instead they put out
> dirt and gravel.
>
>
>> skip the undercoating and power-wash the underside of the Jeep every
>> month in winter.
>
> definately. ive always washed my undercarraige with more care than my
> body panels. im working on installing a floor drain in my garage for that
> very reason.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

"Eric" > wrote in message
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> Well, maybe lucky. Get a bra and/or bug deflector for the front. Oh, and
> keep a good distance between you and the vehicle in front of you.
> Otherwise, by the time summer gets around you'll have one ugly front end.
> They did the same thing where I grew up in Alaska. Having a windshield
> repair/replacement business is certainly a money maker up there!

yeah, winter is effectively over now and we made it through without a single
chip. most folks are running mud flaps up here and they do a decent job.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

From what I've seen, Krown is a good way to go.
It has to be applied every year though.
Soon after I got my Jeep Krowned I saw an old
K car station wagon with the proud owner
saying he Krowned it every year with no body work done, ever!
K cars have disappeared years ago from salt
around here. I was impressed.

Snow wrote:
> Sandman.. drive North my boy.. Visit the Wilds of Canada and while your here
> go visit either a Rust Check shop or Krown. I cant speak for Krown but Rust
> Check carries their own warranty on rust through for new cars and NO it
> doesn't void the manufactures. Your Jeep might cost you about $115-145 Cdn
> due to its new and never been done before.. they drill holes (yes holes) in
> your doors, lower pillars and rockers if the factory hasn't. The Gent I use
> here in Ontario has a big contract with two cities for their fire
> departments, the police contract, local utilities, a local Ford dealer sends
> customers there too and every Dec. 6 he does Santa's ride this year it was a
> nice new 05 stang (local dealer supplied it providing it got sprayed for
> free).
> http://www.rustcheck.com/
> http://www.krown.com/
>
> Snow...
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>my rubicon hasnt arrived yet but my dealership was preparing my
>>paperwork so that we could get everything done in advance. he asked if
>>i wanted the undercoating/detail for $162. he said they undercoat the
>>entire undercarraige and then detail/wax the jeep. i dont care about
>>the waxing part, but im wondering if the undercoat they do is worth
>>doing or if its a waste of $162. thanks.
>>
>>Nathan W. Collier
>>http://7SlotGrille.com
>>http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>>
>
>
>

wrote:

> i wanted the undercoating/detail for $162. he said they undercoat the
> entire undercarraige and then detail/wax the jeep. i dont care about
> the waxing part, but im wondering if the undercoat they do is worth
> doing or if its a waste of $162. thanks.

Sounds too cheap to be true... Underbody coating is not enough, I have
http://www.dinitrol.com/
TuffKote Dinol handling in WJ. In short program consists of putting
anti-corrosion into underbody as well as cavities below window line (for
example inside door, between water block plastic and sheet metal).
Authorized shops are, in northern europe, under ISO9001 (one can state
ISO9001 as 'we have no quality' in paper an fill spec :-). And decent
shop shows you the sematics and drawings what materials and where in
your vehicle these are put. Drawback is that you have to either suffer
for odd aromatic carbon combound odor for a week or keep the vehicle
couple of days all doors open in well ventilated garage. Another
drawback is price: roughly 1KEUR for anti-corrosion handling in Finland.


This was more detailed anti-corrosion program than the shaky details
dealer gave upon WJ purchase for DCX approved handling. And a bit better
than they place to northern europe models be default in Graz factory.

Marko

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>
> im lucky in that respect. montana doesnt use salt, instead they put out
> dirt and gravel.

This adds to damage: chips to wheel well paint, underbody zinc, hood,
doors etc. It just takes a bit more time and corrosion is there.


Marko

DougW wrote:

> Cars come factory undercoated and in several cases adding
> addional undercoating voids the factory rust warantee.
> Besides which, all they do is rattle-can on undercoating you
> could do yourself for $30 or less.

Again: this depends on anti-corrosion handling. Mine did not remove
factory warranty (what was left of it), but adds an extra one (this was
with converted USA/European DCX warranty).

Self apply: How well you can wash the underbody from dirt and salt
alreday there, if you get delivery of the vehicle in winter? If not done
properly, you just create ideal enviromnent for corrosion to progress
invisible.

Marko

check out Rust Check (www.rustcheck.com) its my understanding that its
available through Kmart great stuff.

Snow...


"DougW" > wrote in message
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> montanajeeper did pass the time by typing:
>> my rubicon hasnt arrived yet but my dealership was preparing my
>> paperwork so that we could get everything done in advance. he asked if
>> i wanted the undercoating/detail for $162. he said they undercoat the
>> entire undercarraige and then detail/wax the jeep. i dont care about
>> the waxing part, but im wondering if the undercoat they do is worth
>> doing or if its a waste of $162. thanks.
>
> IMHO, a waste of money.
> Cars come factory undercoated and in several cases adding
> addional undercoating voids the factory rust warantee.
> Besides which, all they do is rattle-can on undercoating you
> could do yourself for $30 or less.
>
> As for waxing, that's pure bull****. The dealer should detail
> your car for delivery as a part of the service. Seriously, clean
> it yourself, that way some lowbuck trainee doesn't scratch the
> paint before you can.
>
> --
> DougW
>

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Nathan W. Collier wrote:

> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> keep in mind that since you have snow all winter (as do I) your TJ will
>> see salted roads all winter
>
> im lucky in that respect. montana doesnt use salt, instead they put out
> dirt and gravel.

When I was in MT last spring I was told that they've started using salt in
a few ski resort towns -- because the touristas and moneybaggers
(multi-million dollar "log cabins") expect it.

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