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mike gray wrote:

> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> mike gray > writes:
>>
>>> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> >> mike gray wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Show me a car over four years old without faulty computer
>>> systems....
>>> > It's funny how this myth lingers on.
>>>
>>> Just like the myth that the earth is a globe.
>>
>>
>> If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out it's not. Very close,
>> though.
>>
>>> Just like the myth that operating systems can crash.
>>
>>
>>> What percentage of recalls are for computer problems?
>>
>>
>> Dunno -- but I sure hear of a lot more for mechanical problems.
>>
>>> And how old is the computer on which you wrote yer reply?
>>
>>
>> I'd have to check -- but it's a 700 MHz Athlon, and the chip had just
>> come out when I bought it. Though this is about as relevant as
>> everything else you wrote except the question about percentage of
>> recalls.
>
>
> And as relevant as the myth of computer infallibility.

Nobody said computers were infallible, just not prone to a high rate of
failure as you assert.


> If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out that it is not -34 degrees
> here in SoFla, though my vehicle's computer sets the fuel mix there, nor
> is the proper voltage 22, though that's what the ECU insists on
> delivering to the battery.

One computer failure does not a trend establish.


> Fortunately for most folks, the ECU can deliver all sorts of bogus data
> with impunity. Until the morning ya switch it on and a voice says, "Good
> morning. HAL here. Hope yer day has been a good one so far. . ."

You really shouldn't stop taking your medication without your doctor's
approval.


Matt

mike gray > writes:

> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > mike gray > writes:
> >
> >> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> >> mike gray wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Show me a car over four years old without faulty computer systems....
> >> > It's funny how this myth lingers on.
> >> Just like the myth that the earth is a globe.
> > If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out it's not. Very close,
> > though.
> >
> >> Just like the myth that operating systems can crash.
> >
> >> What percentage of recalls are for computer problems?
> > Dunno -- but I sure hear of a lot more for mechanical problems.
> >
> >> And how old is the computer on which you wrote yer reply?
> > I'd have to check -- but it's a 700 MHz Athlon, and the chip had just
> > come out when I bought it. Though this is about as relevant as
> > everything else you wrote except the question about percentage of
> > recalls.
>
> And as relevant as the myth of computer infallibility.

I never said they were infallible (of all people, I sure know they
aren't). I objected to your implication (repeated above) that
virtually any car over four years old will have computer problems,
when they're a very rare source of failure.
>
> If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out that it is not -34 degrees
> here in SoFla, though my vehicle's computer sets the fuel mix there,
> nor is the proper voltage 22, though that's what the ECU insists on
> delivering to the battery.

Are you seriously saying you're charging your battery at 22 volts?
That's a problem you need to fix -- alternator, connectors....

> Fortunately for most folks, the ECU can deliver all sorts of bogus
> data with impunity. Until the morning ya switch it on and a voice
> says, "Good morning. HAL here. Hope yer day has been a good one so
> far. . ."

Not for very long...
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer

mike gray > writes:

> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > mike gray > writes:
> >
> >> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> >> mike gray wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Show me a car over four years old without faulty computer systems....
> >> > It's funny how this myth lingers on.
> >> Just like the myth that the earth is a globe.
> > If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out it's not. Very close,
> > though.
> >
> >> Just like the myth that operating systems can crash.
> >
> >> What percentage of recalls are for computer problems?
> > Dunno -- but I sure hear of a lot more for mechanical problems.
> >
> >> And how old is the computer on which you wrote yer reply?
> > I'd have to check -- but it's a 700 MHz Athlon, and the chip had just
> > come out when I bought it. Though this is about as relevant as
> > everything else you wrote except the question about percentage of
> > recalls.
>
> And as relevant as the myth of computer infallibility.

I never said they were infallible (of all people, I sure know they
aren't). I objected to your implication (repeated above) that
virtually any car over four years old will have computer problems,
when they're a very rare source of failure.
>
> If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out that it is not -34 degrees
> here in SoFla, though my vehicle's computer sets the fuel mix there,
> nor is the proper voltage 22, though that's what the ECU insists on
> delivering to the battery.

Are you seriously saying you're charging your battery at 22 volts?
That's a problem you need to fix -- alternator, connectors....

> Fortunately for most folks, the ECU can deliver all sorts of bogus
> data with impunity. Until the morning ya switch it on and a voice
> says, "Good morning. HAL here. Hope yer day has been a good one so
> far. . ."

Not for very long...
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer

Matt Whiting wrote:

> One computer failure does not a trend establish.

But it is enough to dispel the myth of infallibility.

Matt Whiting wrote:

> One computer failure does not a trend establish.

But it is enough to dispel the myth of infallibility.

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:


>> If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out that it is not -34 degrees
>> here in SoFla, though my vehicle's computer sets the fuel mix there,
>> nor is the proper voltage 22, though that's what the ECU insists on
>> delivering to the battery.
>
> Are you seriously saying you're charging your battery at 22 volts?
> That's a problem you need to fix -- alternator, connectors....

Alternator's fine. Bearing's a little noisy (diagnosed by sticking one
end of a screwdriver on the bearing housing, the other end in my ear)
but the regulator is in the ECU.

How do I fix that?

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:


>> If I were in a pedantic mood, I'd point out that it is not -34 degrees
>> here in SoFla, though my vehicle's computer sets the fuel mix there,
>> nor is the proper voltage 22, though that's what the ECU insists on
>> delivering to the battery.
>
> Are you seriously saying you're charging your battery at 22 volts?
> That's a problem you need to fix -- alternator, connectors....

Alternator's fine. Bearing's a little noisy (diagnosed by sticking one
end of a screwdriver on the bearing housing, the other end in my ear)
but the regulator is in the ECU.

How do I fix that?

mike gray wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> One computer failure does not a trend establish.
>
>
> But it is enough to dispel the myth of infallibility.
>

The trouble is there is no such myth, at least not held by anyone here.
Our comments were only about your absurd claim that every car more
than four years old has a failed computer. I'm sorry you aren't capable
of understanding that. Then again, I guess we should have known that
anyone who would make such a ludicrous claim obviously was a few quarts
shy of a full sump.


Matt

mike gray wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> One computer failure does not a trend establish.
>
>
> But it is enough to dispel the myth of infallibility.
>

The trouble is there is no such myth, at least not held by anyone here.
Our comments were only about your absurd claim that every car more
than four years old has a failed computer. I'm sorry you aren't capable
of understanding that. Then again, I guess we should have known that
anyone who would make such a ludicrous claim obviously was a few quarts
shy of a full sump.


Matt

"mike gray" > wrote in message
...
>
> Alternator's fine. Bearing's a little noisy (diagnosed by sticking one end
> of a screwdriver on the bearing housing, the other end in my ear) but the
> regulator is in the ECU.
>
> How do I fix that?
>

Alot of alternators have internal regulators. I know my 93 Grand Prix does.
Even an 85 Camaro has one.