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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:32:06 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote: >Anyhow if you wait around long enough the Japanese will rip-off any >innovation you can come up with anyway, improve it and sell it >cheaper. It's what they've done with any junk that the americans have ever come up with, that's for sure. |
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"Sarah Czepiel" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:31:43 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" > > wrote: > >> >>"Sarah Czepiel" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:00:43 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Sarah Czepiel" > wrote in message m... >>>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:00:40 GMT, the guvnor >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:46:29 -0400, Sarah Czepiel > >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>See China's domination of world trade. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Since the end of the Cold War, the United States has >>>>>>>>>been the world's only superpower. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The unique position of the United States (at least in terms of >>>>>>>>>military force) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>See America not even being able to win the Vietnam war. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let me know when you have any hard facts to support your contention >>>>>>>that China is a hyperpower. >>>>>> >>>>>>"Within 20 years, the Chinese economy will probably be larger than >>>>>>that of the United States. Already China's geopolitical influence has >>>>>>grown along with its economic might." >>>>> >>>>> " Within 20 years....". I didn't ask for an opinion piece I asked >>>>> for facts to support your contention that China is a Hyperpower. >>>>> >>>>>>"Moreover, the Chinese central bank is financing the massive US trade >>>>>>deficit by $1 billion a day. Without those loans, US interest rates >>>>>>would spike upward. Interest rates on mortgages would rise, hitting >>>>>>housing sales, and raising costs for millions of homeowners." >>>>>> >>>>>>""This is a huge deal," says Clyde Prestowitz, president of the >>>>>>Economic Strategy Institute in Washington. "We are on life-support >>>>>>from China's central bank."" >>>>>> >>>>>>"The US will have to adjust to deal with another major power," says >>>>>>Mr. Prestowitz. "So far we are in a kind of denial." >>>>>> >>>>>>"Last Friday, China and the European Union reached a friendly >>>>>>agreement curtailing certain Chinese textile exports. Chinese >>>>>>negotiator Bo Xilai indicated China's preference for such a negotiated >>>>>>deal, rather than the US unilateral caps on China's textile exports. >>>>>>He reportedly cited a Chinese saying: "If you respect me by an inch, >>>>>>I'll respect you by a foot."" >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0616/p16s01-cogn.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lets say.....oh...tomorrow, the United States decides to blockade all >>>>> ships arriving and leaving China and the middle east except those >>>>> outbound caring goods or oil to the United States. >>>>> >>>>> What are you euro's or China going to do to stop us? >>>> >>>> >>>>Do NOT underestimate China's military, nor their resolve. >>>> >>>>Joel Jacobs >>>>Chief Petty Officer >>>>USNavy, Retired >>> >>> Well Chief you tell me how the Chinese have any force projection of >>> power outside of a land war in Asia. At the height of their power, >>> the fUSSR didn't want to take on the United States in a strategic >>> military battle. What makes you think the Chinese can do it with a >>> fraction of the power? >> >>Better do a wee bit more research before you shoot your fingers off on the >>keyboard. >> >>Do an online search, nothing fancy, just check out the ICBM status, nuke >>warhead status, submarines, surface navy, and airplanes..... there's other >>stuff, but that'll do. > > I don't have to use google, Chief. China has NO Submarine status at > all. They have ONE submarine missile boat called the Xia. This > submarine has never been more than a harbor queen. In it's entire > existence it has deployed ONCE to test fire a submarine launch > missile. The rest of it's existence its sat in it's home port at > Jianggezhuang. They have 18 ICBM's with questionable capability of > reaching the US considering their long history of design flight > failures. Their surface navy is a joke. Nothing better than a > destroyer sized force with cruise missiles. Two years ago they sent > their first surface ship on it's first around the world cruise. > ONCE. Our attack submarines could wipe out their entire navy > probably before they left Chinese territorial waters. They have > little ASW capabilities to track our subs. Bombers and planes? None > that can reach the US. The Chinese have no force projection outside > of their territorial region. And China will never be a Hyperpower > without a global force projection of power. > > To recap: > > 1. China has no credible ballistic submarines. The one they have is > not operational. > 2. China has 18 ICBM's with questionable capabilities. > 3. China has a surface Navy with no aircraft carriers other than the > one they bought from Russia and they've done nothing with it. They > don't even have planes to go on the carrier. They have destroyers and > frigates with old technology. > 4. China has no strategic nuclear bomber force. NONE. > > > You may be retired from the USN but you're an idiot. What were you a > Yeoman or a Boatswain's Mate? You don't know anything about nuclear > deterrent and it sounds like you really should stick to worrying about > setting your Sea and Anchor detail and leaving the details of global > strategic defense to the experts. Well, no, I'm not an idiot, and I do know that China has about 90 submarines, more than 5,000 combat aircraft, an army of more than two million, and they have also just committed an additional $10 billion toward a updating the navy. Yes, it'll take a while, but fighting the Chinese is not a slam dunk. After all the bombs are dropped and all the missiles shot someone still has to go in and take possession with boots on the ground. BTW, I was a staffie... CincPac, CincPacFlt, NATO South, ComFairMed, SubLant |
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I'm killfiling the whole mess....
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:56:37 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote: >>>Since the end of the Cold War, the United States has >>>been the world's only superpower. >>> >>>The unique position of the United States (at least in terms of >>>military force) >> >>See America not even being able to win the Vietnam war. >> >Nor were the French, but hells bells man it was a war that wasn't >being fought to win. The Communists fought to win and beat America. |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:55:37 -0400, Sarah Czepiel >
wrote: > >You may be retired from the USN but you're an idiot. What were you a >Yeoman or a Boatswain's Mate? You don't know anything about nuclear >deterrent and it sounds like you really should stick to worrying about >setting your Sea and Anchor detail and leaving the details of global >strategic defense to the experts. Ugly Sarah, a stay at home *old* housewife pretending that she knows more about the navy at than someone who was in it?? |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:46:36 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote: >On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:29:45 -0400, G > wrote >something wonderfully witty: > >>If Europe " loves the Mustang " it's because it's cheap. >> >Cheap is relative to others in the class. Right now the Europeans >don't really have anything to compete against it at its price point >even with tariffs & VAT. Plus it is American muscle admired and >lusted for since the very first version back in `64. Admired and lusted over for it's van style suspension? Ever wondered why that despite being cheap and nasty, American cars still don't sell? |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:41:12 -0400, America the Beautiful
> wrote: > > >the guvnor wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:20:17 -0400, ZombyWoof > >> wrote: >> >> >>>>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >>>>all thinks European... >>>> >>> >>>Most I know shun all things European. >> >> >> Quality always costs more... > >How would you know? Because I'm a quality European surrounded by quality things, innit. |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:26:52 -0400, America the Beautiful
> wrote: > > >the guvnor wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:18:48 -0400, America the Beautiful >> > wrote: >> >> >>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>>dominated world manufacturing. >>>>> >>>>>Where does that leave Yurop, then..? >>>> >>>> >>>>Running it all. >>> >>>You mean "Running AND all". >> >> >> We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >> all thinks European... > >I never got the memo. We sent it to your masters in Israel. |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:40:03 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote: >>>> So why then are the Chinese the worlds leading buyer of steel and >>>> scrap metal? >>> >>>Because they have 1 billion people to house? >> >>And so many factories making so much... >> >Actually that isn't it. Is so, you've not noticed that all your belonings have "Made in PRC" on them? |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:41:45 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote: >>Against the euro, the U.S. currency fell 1.4 percent to $1.2286 at 5 >>p.m. yesterday in New York, >> >>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...00&refer=japan >> >Currencies usually bounce all over the place based on all sorts of >reasons both domestic & foreign. So why has yours stopped bouncing, and started free falling? |
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