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Old January 4th 05, 01:31 AM
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1. Pickup trucks with RWD only. LOL You're screwed. Regaurdless of
how much ground clearance you have, my midsize FWD 2002 Sedan will
always handle better than yours with a good set of all season tires.
In Rain, Sleet, Snow, and all icy conditions. Will I'm flying through
them mountain passes, your silly pick up truck is seen heading in the
opposite direction just like a fish out of water. Plenty more of them
seen stuck in the ditch ;-)

2. AWD/4WD You people stink. You think just becuase your silly truck
has 4WD or 4X4 that you can defy the laws of physics? Get
real....even more of you folks stuck in the ditch as I smile and wave
and pass you bay.

3. Snow chains are a waste of time unless your in Fargo or it's a bad
day in Michigan. The only time you need them is when parking on the
side of the road, any road that has ice/snow/sleet on it or is expected
to have some later on in the day. That way you don't need to go
completely out of your way to dig yourself out.

4. Tire chains and spiked tires are a no go for our highways. You are
tearing up our roads with your silly chains and spikes. Your best bet
are a good set of snow tires that grip well. Use chains as little as
possible and for situations stated above.

5. Mountain driving. If the state trooper pulls you over because you
don't have snow chains. Just give them the middle finger and continue
on your merrily way. It's a free Country, don't you ever forget it.

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Old January 4th 05, 02:09 AM
der
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Um ok...
lol

http://suspiration.blogspot.com/

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> 1. Pickup trucks with RWD only. LOL You're screwed. Regaurdless of
> how much ground clearance you have, my midsize FWD 2002 Sedan will
> always handle better than yours with a good set of all season tires.
> In Rain, Sleet, Snow, and all icy conditions. Will I'm flying through
> them mountain passes, your silly pick up truck is seen heading in the
> opposite direction just like a fish out of water. Plenty more of them
> seen stuck in the ditch ;-)
>
> 2. AWD/4WD You people stink. You think just becuase your silly truck
> has 4WD or 4X4 that you can defy the laws of physics? Get
> real....even more of you folks stuck in the ditch as I smile and wave
> and pass you bay.
>
> 3. Snow chains are a waste of time unless your in Fargo or it's a bad
> day in Michigan. The only time you need them is when parking on the
> side of the road, any road that has ice/snow/sleet on it or is expected
> to have some later on in the day. That way you don't need to go
> completely out of your way to dig yourself out.
>
> 4. Tire chains and spiked tires are a no go for our highways. You are
> tearing up our roads with your silly chains and spikes. Your best bet
> are a good set of snow tires that grip well. Use chains as little as
> possible and for situations stated above.
>
> 5. Mountain driving. If the state trooper pulls you over because you
> don't have snow chains. Just give them the middle finger and continue
> on your merrily way. It's a free Country, don't you ever forget it.
>



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Old January 4th 05, 02:09 AM
der
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Um ok...
lol

http://suspiration.blogspot.com/

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> 1. Pickup trucks with RWD only. LOL You're screwed. Regaurdless of
> how much ground clearance you have, my midsize FWD 2002 Sedan will
> always handle better than yours with a good set of all season tires.
> In Rain, Sleet, Snow, and all icy conditions. Will I'm flying through
> them mountain passes, your silly pick up truck is seen heading in the
> opposite direction just like a fish out of water. Plenty more of them
> seen stuck in the ditch ;-)
>
> 2. AWD/4WD You people stink. You think just becuase your silly truck
> has 4WD or 4X4 that you can defy the laws of physics? Get
> real....even more of you folks stuck in the ditch as I smile and wave
> and pass you bay.
>
> 3. Snow chains are a waste of time unless your in Fargo or it's a bad
> day in Michigan. The only time you need them is when parking on the
> side of the road, any road that has ice/snow/sleet on it or is expected
> to have some later on in the day. That way you don't need to go
> completely out of your way to dig yourself out.
>
> 4. Tire chains and spiked tires are a no go for our highways. You are
> tearing up our roads with your silly chains and spikes. Your best bet
> are a good set of snow tires that grip well. Use chains as little as
> possible and for situations stated above.
>
> 5. Mountain driving. If the state trooper pulls you over because you
> don't have snow chains. Just give them the middle finger and continue
> on your merrily way. It's a free Country, don't you ever forget it.
>



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Old January 4th 05, 06:42 AM
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C.H. wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:31:49 -0800, eastwardbound2003 wrote:
>
> > 1. Pickup trucks with RWD only. LOL You're screwed. Regaurdless

of
> > how much ground clearance you have, my midsize FWD 2002 Sedan will
> > always handle better than yours with a good set of all season

tires.
> > In Rain, Sleet, Snow, and all icy conditions. Will I'm flying

through
> > them mountain passes, your silly pick up truck is seen heading in

the
> > opposite direction just like a fish out of water. Plenty more of

them
> > seen stuck in the ditch ;-)

>
> Pickups with RWD were never meant for winter conditions.
>
> > 2. AWD/4WD You people stink. You think just becuase your silly

truck
> > has 4WD or 4X4 that you can defy the laws of physics? Get
> > real....even more of you folks stuck in the ditch as I smile and

wave
> > and pass you bay.

>
> You are overgeneralizing here. I have a lot of 4WD and winter driving
> experience and I can guarantee you that I can still drive the 4WD

truck
> where your FWD sedan has gotten hopelessly stuck long ago. Not to

mention
> that you will be the one who gets out of his car in freezing

temperatures
> and heavy snowfall to mount tire chains under the watchful eyes of

the
> law whereas the officer just asks me '4WD engaged? Thank you, sir,

have a
> safe trip'.
>
> Yes, there are quite a few people, who overestimate what their car

can do,
> but a good 4WD truck with good tires simply can do a lot of things in

bad
> weather that no 2WD car can do. Btw, it was a Ford F250 Super Duty,

who
> pulled that little Focus out of the ditch, although the Focus had

your
> 'superior' FWD...
>
> > 3. Snow chains are a waste of time unless your in Fargo or it's a

bad
> > day in Michigan.

>
> You apparently have never really seen winter conditions. I carry tire
> chains in the truck because there are conditions, where even 4WD and

good
> tires don't work any more.
>
> > The only time you need them is when parking on the side of the

road,
> > any road that has ice/snow/sleet on it or is expected to have some

later
> > on in the day. That way you don't need to go completely out of

your way
> > to dig yourself out.

>
> Aha, you _have_ no mountain and winter driving experience.
>
> Btw, the police will make you mount tire chains when Donner Pass

(Freeway
> 80 between Sacramento and Reno) has been hit by a heavy winter storm.

And
> if you do not comply, you are not going anywhere.
>
> > 4. Tire chains and spiked tires are a no go for our highways. You

are
> > tearing up our roads with your silly chains and spikes. Your best

bet
> > are a good set of snow tires that grip well. Use chains as little

as
> > possible and for situations stated above.

>
> > 5. Mountain driving. If the state trooper pulls you over because

you
> > don't have snow chains. Just give them the middle finger and

continue
> > on your merrily way. It's a free Country, don't you ever forget

it.
>
> The trooper will write you a big ticket for this and another even

bigger
> one for the finger. And you deserve it. But I rather doubt you have

the
> balls to show the finger to the man anyway.
>
> Btw, freedom doesn't mean your freedom to endanger others due to lack

of
> experience and false bravado...
>
> Chris




So Chris, explain to me why snow chains and spiked tires are illegal in
half the states already? Alaska State Troopers will fine you if you
are seen with glittering tires.

The time it takes you to strap those silly chains on your wheels, I've
already made it from point A to point B in my FWD Sedan with the best
set of snow tires money has to offer for it.

4X4 means more mechanical/electrical/electronical components to break.
Keep 4X4's off our highways. If you can't safely drive on an
Interstate with an auto set up just like mine, than you have no
buisness driving. 4X4 = overpriced and overated. Plus the All time
Four's waste gas and pollute more! You can never turn them off and go
into a 2 wheel drive mode even on dry ideal conditions!!! What a
waste...

Chris, you are another one of them sad pups that have bought into all
of the hype. It's people like you that flock to one pocket of the
country and mess things up in no time making said areas undesireable
places to live. i.e. LA Basin. You my friend are a lemming...

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Old January 4th 05, 06:42 AM
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C.H. wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:31:49 -0800, eastwardbound2003 wrote:
>
> > 1. Pickup trucks with RWD only. LOL You're screwed. Regaurdless

of
> > how much ground clearance you have, my midsize FWD 2002 Sedan will
> > always handle better than yours with a good set of all season

tires.
> > In Rain, Sleet, Snow, and all icy conditions. Will I'm flying

through
> > them mountain passes, your silly pick up truck is seen heading in

the
> > opposite direction just like a fish out of water. Plenty more of

them
> > seen stuck in the ditch ;-)

>
> Pickups with RWD were never meant for winter conditions.
>
> > 2. AWD/4WD You people stink. You think just becuase your silly

truck
> > has 4WD or 4X4 that you can defy the laws of physics? Get
> > real....even more of you folks stuck in the ditch as I smile and

wave
> > and pass you bay.

>
> You are overgeneralizing here. I have a lot of 4WD and winter driving
> experience and I can guarantee you that I can still drive the 4WD

truck
> where your FWD sedan has gotten hopelessly stuck long ago. Not to

mention
> that you will be the one who gets out of his car in freezing

temperatures
> and heavy snowfall to mount tire chains under the watchful eyes of

the
> law whereas the officer just asks me '4WD engaged? Thank you, sir,

have a
> safe trip'.
>
> Yes, there are quite a few people, who overestimate what their car

can do,
> but a good 4WD truck with good tires simply can do a lot of things in

bad
> weather that no 2WD car can do. Btw, it was a Ford F250 Super Duty,

who
> pulled that little Focus out of the ditch, although the Focus had

your
> 'superior' FWD...
>
> > 3. Snow chains are a waste of time unless your in Fargo or it's a

bad
> > day in Michigan.

>
> You apparently have never really seen winter conditions. I carry tire
> chains in the truck because there are conditions, where even 4WD and

good
> tires don't work any more.
>
> > The only time you need them is when parking on the side of the

road,
> > any road that has ice/snow/sleet on it or is expected to have some

later
> > on in the day. That way you don't need to go completely out of

your way
> > to dig yourself out.

>
> Aha, you _have_ no mountain and winter driving experience.
>
> Btw, the police will make you mount tire chains when Donner Pass

(Freeway
> 80 between Sacramento and Reno) has been hit by a heavy winter storm.

And
> if you do not comply, you are not going anywhere.
>
> > 4. Tire chains and spiked tires are a no go for our highways. You

are
> > tearing up our roads with your silly chains and spikes. Your best

bet
> > are a good set of snow tires that grip well. Use chains as little

as
> > possible and for situations stated above.

>
> > 5. Mountain driving. If the state trooper pulls you over because

you
> > don't have snow chains. Just give them the middle finger and

continue
> > on your merrily way. It's a free Country, don't you ever forget

it.
>
> The trooper will write you a big ticket for this and another even

bigger
> one for the finger. And you deserve it. But I rather doubt you have

the
> balls to show the finger to the man anyway.
>
> Btw, freedom doesn't mean your freedom to endanger others due to lack

of
> experience and false bravado...
>
> Chris




So Chris, explain to me why snow chains and spiked tires are illegal in
half the states already? Alaska State Troopers will fine you if you
are seen with glittering tires.

The time it takes you to strap those silly chains on your wheels, I've
already made it from point A to point B in my FWD Sedan with the best
set of snow tires money has to offer for it.

4X4 means more mechanical/electrical/electronical components to break.
Keep 4X4's off our highways. If you can't safely drive on an
Interstate with an auto set up just like mine, than you have no
buisness driving. 4X4 = overpriced and overated. Plus the All time
Four's waste gas and pollute more! You can never turn them off and go
into a 2 wheel drive mode even on dry ideal conditions!!! What a
waste...

Chris, you are another one of them sad pups that have bought into all
of the hype. It's people like you that flock to one pocket of the
country and mess things up in no time making said areas undesireable
places to live. i.e. LA Basin. You my friend are a lemming...

  #6  
Old January 4th 05, 07:08 AM
Bernard Farquart
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> wrote in message
oups.com...
> So Chris, explain to me why snow chains and spiked tires are illegal in
> half the states already? Alaska State Troopers will fine you if you
> are seen with glittering tires.


WSP (WA) will turn you around if you do not have chains during conditions
that require them.
>
> The time it takes you to strap those silly chains on your wheels, I've
> already made it from point A to point B in my FWD Sedan with the best
> set of snow tires money has to offer for it.
>


Unless there is a hill.

> 4X4 means more mechanical/electrical/electronical components to break.


How odd, I have a forty year old four wheel drive
vehicle, it is one of the most reliable on the road.
Talk to me when your vehicle gets to that age
about it's broken parts.


> Keep 4X4's off our highways. If you can't safely drive on an
> Interstate with an auto set up just like mine, than you have no
> buisness driving. 4X4 = overpriced and overated.


Bunch of opinionated drivel

Plus the All time
> Four's waste gas and pollute more! You can never turn them off and go
> into a 2 wheel drive mode even on dry ideal conditions!!! What a
> waste...


So is every single trip you take with an empty
seat in your vaunted FWD sedan, but you still
drive alone, don't you?
Waste is relative.

>
> Chris, you are another one of them sad pups that have bought into all
> of the hype. It's people like you that flock to one pocket of the
> country and mess things up in no time making said areas undesireable
> places to live. i.e. LA Basin. You my friend are a lemming...
>

You are a knee jerkin' pointless drivel
spouting anti-anything but the exact car
you drive. What is your point?

Bernard


  #7  
Old January 4th 05, 07:08 AM
Bernard Farquart
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> wrote in message
oups.com...
> So Chris, explain to me why snow chains and spiked tires are illegal in
> half the states already? Alaska State Troopers will fine you if you
> are seen with glittering tires.


WSP (WA) will turn you around if you do not have chains during conditions
that require them.
>
> The time it takes you to strap those silly chains on your wheels, I've
> already made it from point A to point B in my FWD Sedan with the best
> set of snow tires money has to offer for it.
>


Unless there is a hill.

> 4X4 means more mechanical/electrical/electronical components to break.


How odd, I have a forty year old four wheel drive
vehicle, it is one of the most reliable on the road.
Talk to me when your vehicle gets to that age
about it's broken parts.


> Keep 4X4's off our highways. If you can't safely drive on an
> Interstate with an auto set up just like mine, than you have no
> buisness driving. 4X4 = overpriced and overated.


Bunch of opinionated drivel

Plus the All time
> Four's waste gas and pollute more! You can never turn them off and go
> into a 2 wheel drive mode even on dry ideal conditions!!! What a
> waste...


So is every single trip you take with an empty
seat in your vaunted FWD sedan, but you still
drive alone, don't you?
Waste is relative.

>
> Chris, you are another one of them sad pups that have bought into all
> of the hype. It's people like you that flock to one pocket of the
> country and mess things up in no time making said areas undesireable
> places to live. i.e. LA Basin. You my friend are a lemming...
>

You are a knee jerkin' pointless drivel
spouting anti-anything but the exact car
you drive. What is your point?

Bernard


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Old January 4th 05, 04:40 PM
N8N
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wrote:

> So Chris, explain to me why snow chains and spiked tires are illegal

in
> half the states already? Alaska State Troopers will fine you if you
> are seen with glittering tires.


Probably because they tear up the roads when not required, and they
can't easily be dismounted like chains. That doesn't mean that they
don't work.

>
> The time it takes you to strap those silly chains on your wheels,

I've
> already made it from point A to point B in my FWD Sedan with the best
> set of snow tires money has to offer for it.


Possibly true, where you live... not everywhere.

>
> 4X4 means more mechanical/electrical/electronical components to

break.
> Keep 4X4's off our highways. If you can't safely drive on an
> Interstate with an auto set up just like mine, than you have no
> buisness driving. 4X4 = overpriced and overated. Plus the All time
> Four's waste gas and pollute more! You can never turn them off and

go
> into a 2 wheel drive mode even on dry ideal conditions!!! What a
> waste...


What new vehicle is full time 4WD?

>
> Chris, you are another one of them sad pups that have bought into all
> of the hype. It's people like you that flock to one pocket of the
> country and mess things up in no time making said areas undesireable
> places to live. i.e. LA Basin. You my friend are a lemming...


I have to say that I somewhat disagree with all of the respondants to
this thread. Yes, a FWD vehicle is perfectly capable in snow.
However, that doesn't mean that a 4WD wouldn't be *better.* The
problem is, really, that most drivers of 4WD don't understand how their
vehicles work and think that 4WD gives them some magical powers over
the laws of physics. Newsflash - *all* that 4WD does is give you the
ability to accelerate quicker and a little more dynamic stability.
That's *it.* It doesn't make you stop any faster or corner any great
deal better... It doesn't improve the coefficient of friction between
your tires and the road at all. It's not a cure-all, just another tool
in the driver's toolbox, and needs to be used appropriately and with
respect.

That said, I used to work in the UP of Michigan, where slippery roads
were a way of life. Most of the test vehicles that we were working on
were 4WD trucks, but aside from those, the vast majority of vehicles on
the road were FWD econoboxes and/or 4WD trucks pulling snowmobile
trailers. It was rare to see a non-test vehicle 4WD truck that wasn't
being used to tow or haul something. That seems to indicate to me that
the safety advantages weren't great enough for the trucks in the minds
of most people to offset the higher operating cost.

Personally, I don't even mind driving a RWD vehicle in the snow
assuming it has good tires. If the snow is bad enough that I can't
control a RWD vehicle, I probably don't want to be driving... in part
due to the fact that there will be a significant subset of drivers on
the road that will be dangerous no matter what they're driving, and I'd
rather not freeze my cojones off at the side of the road waiting for
the state police to show up.

ANYWAY... if I lived somewhere that got craploads of snow on a regular
basis, and had the disposable income to allow it, I might just have a
4WD or AWD vehicle in my driveway just so that I could ensure that I
could get wherever I needed to go should I really need to go out in bad
conditions. (an old Audi Quattro might be the cat's butt.) But I
probably would drive it very infrequently due to operating cost etc.,
more so if it were a truck-based vehicle.

nate

  #9  
Old January 4th 05, 04:40 PM
N8N
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wrote:

> So Chris, explain to me why snow chains and spiked tires are illegal

in
> half the states already? Alaska State Troopers will fine you if you
> are seen with glittering tires.


Probably because they tear up the roads when not required, and they
can't easily be dismounted like chains. That doesn't mean that they
don't work.

>
> The time it takes you to strap those silly chains on your wheels,

I've
> already made it from point A to point B in my FWD Sedan with the best
> set of snow tires money has to offer for it.


Possibly true, where you live... not everywhere.

>
> 4X4 means more mechanical/electrical/electronical components to

break.
> Keep 4X4's off our highways. If you can't safely drive on an
> Interstate with an auto set up just like mine, than you have no
> buisness driving. 4X4 = overpriced and overated. Plus the All time
> Four's waste gas and pollute more! You can never turn them off and

go
> into a 2 wheel drive mode even on dry ideal conditions!!! What a
> waste...


What new vehicle is full time 4WD?

>
> Chris, you are another one of them sad pups that have bought into all
> of the hype. It's people like you that flock to one pocket of the
> country and mess things up in no time making said areas undesireable
> places to live. i.e. LA Basin. You my friend are a lemming...


I have to say that I somewhat disagree with all of the respondants to
this thread. Yes, a FWD vehicle is perfectly capable in snow.
However, that doesn't mean that a 4WD wouldn't be *better.* The
problem is, really, that most drivers of 4WD don't understand how their
vehicles work and think that 4WD gives them some magical powers over
the laws of physics. Newsflash - *all* that 4WD does is give you the
ability to accelerate quicker and a little more dynamic stability.
That's *it.* It doesn't make you stop any faster or corner any great
deal better... It doesn't improve the coefficient of friction between
your tires and the road at all. It's not a cure-all, just another tool
in the driver's toolbox, and needs to be used appropriately and with
respect.

That said, I used to work in the UP of Michigan, where slippery roads
were a way of life. Most of the test vehicles that we were working on
were 4WD trucks, but aside from those, the vast majority of vehicles on
the road were FWD econoboxes and/or 4WD trucks pulling snowmobile
trailers. It was rare to see a non-test vehicle 4WD truck that wasn't
being used to tow or haul something. That seems to indicate to me that
the safety advantages weren't great enough for the trucks in the minds
of most people to offset the higher operating cost.

Personally, I don't even mind driving a RWD vehicle in the snow
assuming it has good tires. If the snow is bad enough that I can't
control a RWD vehicle, I probably don't want to be driving... in part
due to the fact that there will be a significant subset of drivers on
the road that will be dangerous no matter what they're driving, and I'd
rather not freeze my cojones off at the side of the road waiting for
the state police to show up.

ANYWAY... if I lived somewhere that got craploads of snow on a regular
basis, and had the disposable income to allow it, I might just have a
4WD or AWD vehicle in my driveway just so that I could ensure that I
could get wherever I needed to go should I really need to go out in bad
conditions. (an old Audi Quattro might be the cat's butt.) But I
probably would drive it very infrequently due to operating cost etc.,
more so if it were a truck-based vehicle.

nate

 




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