Clutch judder - fact or fable?

On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st gear,
@1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it
happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites. Clutch
being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.

Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has to
happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in gears
3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.

T



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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:21:34 GMT, "Trunky" > wrote:

>On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st gear,
>@1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
>Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it
>happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites. Clutch
>being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.
>
>Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has to
>happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in gears
>3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.

Sure. Works wonders for clutch longevity ;-)

You've got either a worn, warped or contaminated clutch plate. What
could be fact or fiction about that? Either ease the clutch out at a
LOW RPM or burn it up as you have suggested.


Trunky wrote:
> On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st
gear,
> @1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
> Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it

> happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites.
Clutch
> being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.
>
> Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has
to
> happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in
gears
> 3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.
>
> T
>
>
>
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"Trunky" > wrote in message
. uk...
> On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st gear,
> @1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
> Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it
> happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites. Clutch
> being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.
>
> Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has to
> happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in gears
> 3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.

I guess I don't know what "fairly quickly" means. I shift as leasurely
through 1, 2, and 3 as any other gears. I make my shifts routinely at about
3,000 to 3500, sometimes sooner if the guy in front isn't in a hurry, and
sometimes later if the guy behind is.

I drive 3rd in freeway traffic from speeds down around 10mph up to well over
65mph. I often drive into my neighborhood at idle in 3rd gear and make my
way to the house, dodging kids on rollerskates and bicycles all the way.

My clutch had a phase of juddering. I've not replaced it and it doesn't
judder any more. I've heard that it could be caused by oil leaking from
rear seal onto clutch, bad gearbox mounts, or plain worn clutch. Why not
live with it for a while and see if things improve.

MC

"Trunky" > wrote in message
. uk...
> On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st gear,
> @1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
> Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it
> happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites. Clutch
> being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.
>
> Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has to
> happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in gears
> 3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.
>
> T
>
>
>
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> http://www.stressed-out.org
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>
>

Mine began at 40000 km, the car has 196000 km on it still with the same
clutch !
Never ever I had an oil drop on the garage floor. So the judder may have had
another origin.

When that was happening too frequently, I was using the following procedu
put the gearbox in 5th,
handbrake on,
slowly accelerate until the clutck skates,
maintain the acceleration for two or three seconds, in anycase before
smelling any burnt rubber.

This procedure cleans the clutch linings as well as the plate.
It will last for some weeks or months.


"M C" > a écrit dans le message news:
...
> My clutch had a phase of juddering. I've not replaced it and it doesn't
> judder any more. I've heard that it could be caused by oil leaking from
> rear seal onto clutch, bad gearbox mounts, or plain worn clutch. Why not
> live with it for a while and see if things improve.
>
> MC
>
> "Trunky" > wrote in message
> . uk...
> > On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st
gear,
> > @1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
> > Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it
> > happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites.
Clutch
> > being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.
> >
> > Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has to
> > happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in
gears
> > 3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.
> >
> > T
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.stressed-out.org
> > CS Public #1, 195.242.236.171:27015 ff=on, awp=off
> > CS Public #2, 195.242.236.171:27035 ff=on
> > CS Public #3, Mini_maps only 195.242.236.171:27045
> >
> >
>
>

Update!!

had the car in for a service, the exhaust was shot! replaced exhaust and
shudder has gone.

T



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"MAd MAx" > wrote in message
...
> Mine began at 40000 km, the car has 196000 km on it still with the same
> clutch !
> Never ever I had an oil drop on the garage floor. So the judder may have
> had
> another origin.
>
> When that was happening too frequently, I was using the following
> procedu
> put the gearbox in 5th,
> handbrake on,
> slowly accelerate until the clutck skates,
> maintain the acceleration for two or three seconds, in anycase before
> smelling any burnt rubber.
>
> This procedure cleans the clutch linings as well as the plate.
> It will last for some weeks or months.
>
>
> "M C" > a écrit dans le message news:
> ...
>> My clutch had a phase of juddering. I've not replaced it and it doesn't
>> judder any more. I've heard that it could be caused by oil leaking from
>> rear seal onto clutch, bad gearbox mounts, or plain worn clutch. Why not
>> live with it for a while and see if things improve.
>>
>> MC
>>
>> "Trunky" > wrote in message
>> . uk...
>> > On my 1992 e36 320i there is this odd judder on pulling away in 1st
> gear,
>> > @1500rpm it happens yet @ 2000rpm its fine, strange, but, true.
>> > Is this fact or ficton, is there a reasonable explanation of *why* it
>> > happens since it is mentioned a lot and on many different websites.
> Clutch
>> > being hot *may*, just make it a tad worse, I can live with it.
>> >
>> > Anyone else of the opinion that the shift through the gears 1>2>3 has
>> > to
>> > happen fairly quickly to keep on the power, yet the car can stay in
> gears
>> > 3-4 for the majority of suburban driving.
>> >
>> > T
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://www.stressed-out.org
>> > CS Public #1, 195.242.236.171:27015 ff=on, awp=off
>> > CS Public #2, 195.242.236.171:27035 ff=on
>> > CS Public #3, Mini_maps only 195.242.236.171:27045
>> >
>> >
>>
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