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CV Joints - New to group
Hey. The CV joints in my 97 Civic are toast and I need new brake pads.
My questions are; How hard are the CV joints to replace by myself? As in, is it necessary to coax someone else into helping with the promise of beer and cookies, or can I save the beer and cookies for myself? Should I go ahead and replace the CV boot too? Or can I get just the rubber pieces that fit in the ends or do you have to buy the boot to get them? Would it be any easier to replace the front brake pads while I'm doing the CV joints or is it just as easy to do it seperately? Sorry for all the questions but I've never worked on anything except beetles so I'm a little clueless stepping into the water-cooled arena. The Honda's a completely different world to me. Thanks in advance, Kidd "We're friends. You smile, I smile. You hurt, I hurt. You cry, I cry. You jump off a bridge.... I'm gonna miss your dumb ass." |
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Change the whole axle. Probably cheaper, definetly easier.
"Kidd Andersson" > wrote in message ... > Hey. The CV joints in my 97 Civic are toast and I need new brake pads. > My questions are; > How hard are the CV joints to replace by myself? As in, is it necessary to > coax > someone else into helping with the promise of beer and cookies, or can I > save > the beer and cookies for myself? > > Should I go ahead and replace the CV boot too? Or can I get just the > rubber > pieces that fit in the ends or do you have to buy the boot to get them? > > Would it be any easier to replace the front brake pads while I'm doing the > CV > joints or is it just as easy to do it seperately? > > Sorry for all the questions but I've never worked on anything except > beetles so > I'm a little clueless stepping into the water-cooled arena. The Honda's a > completely different world to me. > Thanks in advance, > Kidd > "We're friends. You smile, I smile. You hurt, I hurt. You cry, I cry. You > jump > off a bridge.... I'm gonna miss your dumb ass." |
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Chiltons or Haynes are ok for basic stuff. $20ish
A shop manual is around $60+ "John Ings" > wrote in message ... > On 28 Oct 2004 00:45:56 GMT, (Kidd Andersson) > wrote: > > >Hey. The CV joints in my 97 Civic are toast and I need new brake pads. > >My questions are; > >How hard are the CV joints to replace by myself? As in, is it necessary to coax > >someone else into helping with the promise of beer and cookies, or can I save > >the beer and cookies for myself? > > It's a one man job if you know one end of a wrench from another and > have the proper tools. You'll need a 1 1/4 socket for the spindle nut, > and a 2 leg tie rod puller to pop the taper on the lower ball joint. > > >Should I go ahead and replace the CV boot too? > > It's best to just change out the entire driveshaft. They're not that > expensive. > > >Would it be any easier to replace the front brake pads while I'm doing the CV > >joints > > Well, you would already have the wheels off... > > > or is it just as easy to do it seperately? > > Yes :-) > > >The Honda's a completely different world to me. > > Buy a shop manual. > Not a Chilton's or a Haynes' but a proper shop manual. > > |
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>It's a one man job if you know one end of a wrench from another and
>have the proper tools. You'll need a 1 1/4 socket for the spindle nut, >and a 2 leg tie rod puller to pop the taper on the lower ball joint. I figure if I can rip the engine out of a beetle, piece together a new one with some spare bus parts and the good stuff from the old engine and throw it back in, I can probably handle this. I'm a little nervous about it but that's just the girly part in me saying "Oh.. but you're going to break a nail! Let a man do it!" Hehe. >It's best to just change out the entire driveshaft. They're not that >expensive. Heh. You obviously haven't seen my paycheck... >Well, you would already have the wheels off... > Yeah. That should have been a no brainer. Sorry. >Buy a shop manual. >Not a Chilton's or a Haynes' but a proper shop manual. I think I will. Thanks for the help! I truly appreciate it! And the same to everyone else that replied so far. Don't be surprised if I come back and say "Well now that it's all apart and strung across the driveway... how do I get it back together?" Kidd "We're friends. You smile, I smile. You hurt, I hurt. You cry, I cry. You jump off a bridge.... I'm gonna miss your dumb ass." |
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"Kidd Andersson" > wrote
snip > I think I will. > Thanks for the help! I truly appreciate it! > And the same to everyone else that replied so far. > Don't be surprised if I come back and say "Well now that it's all apart and > strung across the driveway... how do I get it back together?" I welcome your continued posting and updating on this topic. I'm lurking in this thread because CV joint replacement is one of two projects that I want to be equipped to handle (clutch friction disc, release bearing, and pressure plate replacement being the other). It's nice to get some serious prep on these topics before the job is actually necessary! |
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Caroline wrote:
> "Kidd Andersson" > wrote > snip > >>I think I will. >>Thanks for the help! I truly appreciate it! >>And the same to everyone else that replied so far. >>Don't be surprised if I come back and say "Well now that it's all > > apart and > >>strung across the driveway... how do I get it back together?" > > > > I welcome your continued posting and updating on this topic. I'm > lurking in this thread because CV joint replacement is one of two > projects that I want to be equipped to handle (clutch friction disc, > release bearing, and pressure plate replacement being the other). It's > nice to get some serious prep on these topics before the job is > actually necessary! > replacement is easy, once you have the gearbox out of the car. getting the box out is apita. the amount of periferal equipment you need to strip off the car to get it out is what takes the longest time to deal with. the only trick on replacing the friction plate is getting it centered. if you buy a good quality clutch kit, it should include a plastic centering dowel. from that point on, refitting should be "reverse of removal" as they say in the service books. at the risk of being contraversial, consider your optons before replacing the pressure plate & the thrust bearing. on the one hand, replacement of all three pieces is the "shop" method. - no risk of the customer returning & complaining, and besides, more pieces to sell. but reality is, very often, the pressure plates & thrust bearings are perfectly servicable, and based on previous posts, are probably well able to withstand the 5 year projected remaining lifespan you've mentioned. it'll save you a few bucks. just a thought. it's something i've done in the past, on a number of different vehicles. really depends if the car's a projected 10 year keeper or a short term runabout. |
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"jim beam" > wrote
> Caroline wrote: > > I welcome your continued posting and updating on this topic. I'm > > lurking in this thread because CV joint replacement is one of two > > projects that I want to be equipped to handle (clutch friction disc, > > release bearing, and pressure plate replacement being the other). It's > > nice to get some serious prep on these topics before the job is > > actually necessary! > > > > replacement is easy, once you have the gearbox out of the car. getting > the box out is apita. the amount of periferal equipment you need to > strip off the car to get it out is what takes the longest time to deal > with. the only trick on replacing the friction plate is getting it > centered. if you buy a good quality clutch kit, it should include a > plastic centering dowel. from that point on, refitting should be > "reverse of removal" as they say in the service books. > > at the risk of being contraversial, consider your optons before > replacing the pressure plate & the thrust bearing. on the one hand, > replacement of all three pieces is the "shop" method. - no risk of the > customer returning & complaining, and besides, more pieces to sell. but > reality is, very often, the pressure plates & thrust bearings are > perfectly servicable, and based on previous posts, are probably well > able to withstand the 5 year projected remaining lifespan you've > mentioned. it'll save you a few bucks. just a thought. it's something > i've done in the past, on a number of different vehicles. really > depends if the car's a projected 10 year keeper or a short term runabout. Oh I'm not going to touch the clutch until I see some symptoms. I'm amazed I've seen none after 158k miles. I had a Nissan Sentra whose clutch died at six years, 115k miles. Yet from others' reports on their Honda clutches here, yes, I am thinking this might last five more years, easily. Also, I think the way I drive probably tends to support a clutch that lasts a long time. (A former boyfriend drove the Sentra from time to time, and he wasn't the gentle-on-the-clutch driver I am.) Still, I like being prepared and, of course, learning how engines etc. work. Thanks for the input! Aside: For fun I threw a new fuel filter in the other week at half the usual interval (that is, two years, 30k miles instead of four years, 60k miles), and I gotta say I notice a quicker, healthier start. A little of that body repair putty around the gills and some touchup paint now and then, and maybe this 1991 puppy will last twenty years. Fun! (And back to our featu CV joints and axles!) |
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"Kidd Andersson" > wrote in message ...
> >It's a one man job if you know one end of a wrench from another and > >have the proper tools. You'll need a 1 1/4 socket for the spindle nut, > >and a 2 leg tie rod puller to pop the taper on the lower ball joint. > I figure if I can rip the engine out of a beetle, piece together a new one > with some spare bus parts and the good stuff from the old engine and throw it > back in, I can probably handle this. I'm a little nervous about it but that's > just the girly part in me saying "Oh.. but you're going to break a nail! Let a > man do it!" Hehe. > >It's best to just change out the entire driveshaft. They're not that > >expensive. > Heh. You obviously haven't seen my paycheck... Honda driveshafts tend to come loose when installed by a first timer (see story below.) On most Hondas, you'll do fine with just a new CV joint and a genuine boot. Don't install an aftermarket boot or use incompatible grease. Use whatever came with the kit, although more costly. The kit, which is unnecessary, costs 5 times more than just a single genuine boot alone. The boot should be bled of air pockets correctly or uniformly to prevent premature wear. Installing the CV to the shaft is tricky since it requires some help from (a vise grip, good lighting and/or another person.) Story: A friend's shaft came out when turning. He calls me after several attempts fail to seat it. With the tire out of the way, I reach under and pull the shaft out by hand and turn 45 degrees clockwise and with both hands gripping the shaft, I swing it back in, using the shaft's momentum as a hammer. No luck. Turn again 45 degrees, swing it in and it went right in. Turns out the groves/rings were either damage or misaligned and fails to seat. (The service manual recommends a new ring.) People ought to realize that it has to properly seat before driving off by comparing the joint-to-transmission gap difference with the other side by feel or by whatever tools you have. And I don't try to apply force when it appears to jam. And remember to balance your front tires when it needs it. |
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