12 Second Musclecars (well two 12 Second Musclecars, anyway)

In the first free elections held since the conquest of AHPBBFM by the
Coalition of the Willing to Swallow Anything, I was recently elected to
serve that group as its very own White Tornado II, purveyor of
unwelcome truths. No Sunnis are known to have voted, and the Kurds are
muttering about secession, but I won fair and square -- unanimously,
even -- and I intend to serve my full term.

As my first official act, I reported the following timeslips of actual,
reputedly bone stock muscle cars, running head to head in the September
2004 Pure Stock Drags. I thought some in this ng might like this post
too. And besides, NoOp Patrick has dared me to post some race results
involving the old iron in this group, just to see what happens. Readers
of Mustang & Fords magazine have already seen these, because M&F
reported this event in its March 2005 issue. Because it was M&F, they
reported only on the matchups involving Fords.

The winner of each of these best 2 out of 3 showdowns appears in the
first column.

'70 SS 396 Chevelle vs. '71 Mach 1 429 SCJ
14.95 @ 92.83 vs. 14.952 @ 92.83
14.92 @ 92.61 vs. 15.010 @ 93.08

'72 Gran Torino Sport (351C-4v) vs. '72 Buick GSX (350-4v)
14.78 @ 97.87 vs. 14.71 @ 92.44
14.72 @ 98.00 vs. 14.73 @ 92.36 (Torino wins with a .575 RT)
14.63 @ 98.96 vs. 14.72 @ 92.83

'69 455 ci Hurst/Olds vs. '70 Cyclone 429 CJ
14.38 @ 96.11 vs. 14.19 @ 98.14
14.27 @ 96.13 vs. 14.35 @ 98.31
14.53 @ 95.98 vs. 14.29 @ 97.50 (Merc redlights and loses the 2 of 3)

'69 440 Cuda vs. '71 Mach 1 429 CJ
13.72 @ 99.21 vs. 14.14 @ 98.56
13.74 @ 99.16 vs. 14.05 @ 99.54 (Cuda loses on redlight)
13.82 @ 98.91 vs. 14.02 @ 100.07

'64 427/425 Mercury Marauder vs. '72 455 Buick GSX
13.37 @ 106.21 vs. 13.80 @ 103.16
13.43 @ 106.96 vs. 13.48 @ 103.55 (Buick wins on .545 RT)
13.28 @ 107.50 vs. 13.49 @ 104.16
(Check those traps. This Merc weighed 4,367 lbs! For that matter, the
Buick weighed 4,208.)

'70 455 Olds 442 vs. '69 Mach 1 428 CJ
12.69 @ 109.63 vs. 12.92 @ 108.12
12.71 @ 109.60 vs. 12.91 @ 108.39
(This time it was a 3,915 lb. Olds vs. a 3,686 lb. CJ.)

If you want to see the class rules, here they a
http://www.geocities.com/psmcdr/rules.html . Also, ere is an Excel
spread sheet with all the Sept '04 results:
http://www.geocities.com/psmcdr/2004...pt_results.xls
.. If you start from the home page, http://www.geocities.com/psmcdr ,
you can see the results from other years too.

Out 180
White Tornado 2
AHOBBFM Troll Level 3
Thundersnake 28

wrote:
> In the first free elections held since the conquest of AHPBBFM by the
> Coalition of the Willing to Swallow Anything, I was recently elected
to
> serve that group as its very own White Tornado II, purveyor of
> unwelcome truths. No Sunnis are known to have voted, and the Kurds
are
> muttering about secession, but I won fair and square -- unanimously,
> even -- and I intend to serve my full term.
>
> As my first official act, I reported the following timeslips of
actual,
> reputedly bone stock muscle cars, running head to head in the
September
> 2004 Pure Stock Drags. I thought some in this ng might like this
post
> too. And besides, NoOp Patrick has dared me to post some race
results
> involving the old iron in this group, just to see what happens.
Readers
> of Mustang & Fords magazine have already seen these, because M&F
> reported this event in its March 2005 issue. Because it was M&F,
they
> reported only on the matchups involving Fords.

Too many details have been overlooked and obmitted for someone who
wants us to believe that he knows what he is actually talking about.

Besides, how about a simple blanket comment, like, "I'm -truly- going
to
argue this ad nauseam", or, "I'm trying to prove beyond the shadow of a

doubt that I'm an insufferable, stat-crazed know-it-all who STILL
MISSES
THE DAMNED POINT with my snotty value judgments that I'm attempting to
pass on as gospel"? And some free advice thrown in - quit taking
yourself so damned seriously. Life is too short. My God, how much
time are you actually going to spend on this endeavor? Why don't you
RELAX and try to ENJOY yourself, and get out of your lawyer shoes at
12:30 am? I smell a litigator or CDA. Anyone else?

Patrick
'93 Cobra

wrote:
> I smell a litigator or CDA. Anyone else?

I smell flame-bait...

Now, for something topical: 2005 Ford Mustang named Canadian Car of the Year

Ford Canada Hopes Car Focus to Revive Market Share
Wed February 16, 2005
By Amran Abocar

TORONTO (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co. of Canada, which has seen its market
share fall steadily in recent years, is counting on a renewed focus on
passenger cars to stop the decline, company executives said on Wednesday.

Ford Canada's new president, Joe Hinrichs, said the company's focus for
the rest of this year is to build on a solid sales gain in January with
a slate of new vehicles it hopes will resonate with customers after what
he termed a "challenging" 2004.

In Canada last year, Ford endured the biggest decline in market share
among major automakers, losing 1.3 percentage points to 13.9 percent,
according to figures compiled by DesRosiers Automotive Consultants. That
is down from about an 18 percent share just five years ago.

Its overall vehicle sales tumbled by 11.7 percent last year from 2003,
even though Ford's F-Series pickup is the best-selling truck in Canada.

Total auto sales in Canada retreated 3.7 percent last year.

"We really want to have our products speak for themselves and get our
fair share of the market, sustain our fair share of the market,"
Hinrichs said in an interview at the Canadian International Auto Show in
Toronto, which runs Feb. 18-27.

"If you look at our truck leadership and our SUV leadership, now with
our new cars and our good sales that we had in January, we think we have
the product to stop that market share erosion."

The automaker, which launched seven cars in Canada last year, is
introducing four more this year, including the Ford Fusion, a mid-sized
sedan aimed at taking on a market segment dominated by Japanese and
South Korean automakers.

There's also the 2005 Ford Mustang, which was named Canadian Car of the
Year earlier on Wednesday, the luxury pickup truck Lincoln Mark LT and
the Lincoln Zephyr, a high-end mid-sized sedan targeted at younger buyers.

Ford credited the popularity of the 2005 Mustang for its 2 percent rise
in sales in January.

The company employs about 14,000 people in Canada and had revenues of
C$18.1 billion ($14.6 billion) last year. It announced recently its
Oakville, Ontario, assembly plant would be transformed into a flexible
manufacturing facility capable of making several different models.

But Hinrichs, who assumed the top job at Ford Canada on Jan 1., declined
to elaborate on the outlook for Ford's St. Thomas, Ontario, plant, which
produces the Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis sedans. The Canadian Auto
Workers union has said it will press for a new product commitment at St.
Thomas in contract talks with the automaker later this year.

"We're not talking about St. Thomas at this point in time," Hinrichs
said. "We're committed to the Crown Vic and the Grand Marquis being
produced there for the future. Right now we're not talking about
anything further."

Yet another $.02 worth from a proud owner of a 1970 Mach 1 351C @
http://community.webshots.com/album/18644819fHAehGJAjt

In article om>,
> wrote:

> wrote:
> > In the first free elections held since the conquest of AHPBBFM by the
> > Coalition of the Willing to Swallow Anything, I was recently elected
> to
> > serve that group as its very own White Tornado II, purveyor of
> > unwelcome truths. No Sunnis are known to have voted, and the Kurds
> are
> > muttering about secession, but I won fair and square -- unanimously,
> > even -- and I intend to serve my full term.
> >
> > As my first official act, I reported the following timeslips of
> actual,
> > reputedly bone stock muscle cars, running head to head in the
> September
> > 2004 Pure Stock Drags. I thought some in this ng might like this
> post
> > too. And besides, NoOp Patrick has dared me to post some race
> results
> > involving the old iron in this group, just to see what happens.
> Readers
> > of Mustang & Fords magazine have already seen these, because M&F
> > reported this event in its March 2005 issue. Because it was M&F,
> they
> > reported only on the matchups involving Fords.
>
> Too many details have been overlooked and obmitted for someone who
> wants us to believe that he knows what he is actually talking about.
>
> Besides, how about a simple blanket comment, like, "I'm -truly- going
> to
> argue this ad nauseam", or, "I'm trying to prove beyond the shadow of a
>
> doubt that I'm an insufferable, stat-crazed know-it-all who STILL
> MISSES
> THE DAMNED POINT with my snotty value judgments that I'm attempting to
> pass on as gospel"? And some free advice thrown in - quit taking
> yourself so damned seriously. Life is too short. My God, how much
> time are you actually going to spend on this endeavor? Why don't you
> RELAX and try to ENJOY yourself, and get out of your lawyer shoes at
> 12:30 am? I smell a litigator or CDA. Anyone else?

He is, or at least was, a lawyer. And he has gone over the deep end.
However, you criticizing someone who lives and breathes road tests is
the old ebony kitchen utensil diatribe.

>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra
>

--
CobraJet
Thunder Snake #1

Grover C. McCoury III wrote:

> wrote:
> > I smell a litigator or CDA. Anyone else?

> I smell flame-bait...

Grover,

99% of my reply to 180Out (who, BTW, was recently renamed Dust Devil I)
was taken directly from flak he received about another topic he posted
in the big-block newsgroup. I've just been giggling about it, and had
to jab DDI again about it, because I found the wording SO close to the
same flak I took in this newsgroup when I used to post about musclecar
1/4 mile times.

Patrick
'93 Cobra

wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>In the first free elections held since the conquest of AHPBBFM by the
>>Coalition of the Willing to Swallow Anything, I was recently elected
>
> to
>
>>serve that group as its very own White Tornado II, purveyor of
>>unwelcome truths. No Sunnis are known to have voted, and the Kurds
>
> are
>
>>muttering about secession, but I won fair and square -- unanimously,
>>even -- and I intend to serve my full term.
>>
>>As my first official act, I reported the following timeslips of
>
> actual,
>
>>reputedly bone stock muscle cars, running head to head in the
>
> September
>
>>2004 Pure Stock Drags. I thought some in this ng might like this
>
> post
>
>>too. And besides, NoOp Patrick has dared me to post some race
>
> results
>
>>involving the old iron in this group, just to see what happens.
>
> Readers
>
>>of Mustang & Fords magazine have already seen these, because M&F
>>reported this event in its March 2005 issue. Because it was M&F,
>
> they
>
>>reported only on the matchups involving Fords.
>
>
> Too many details have been overlooked and obmitted for someone who
> wants us to believe that he knows what he is actually talking about.
>
> Besides, how about a simple blanket comment, like, "I'm -truly- going
> to
> argue this ad nauseam", or, "I'm trying to prove beyond the shadow of a
>
> doubt that I'm an insufferable, stat-crazed know-it-all who STILL
> MISSES
> THE DAMNED POINT with my snotty value judgments that I'm attempting to
> pass on as gospel"? And some free advice thrown in - quit taking
> yourself so damned seriously. Life is too short. My God, how much
> time are you actually going to spend on this endeavor? Why don't you
> RELAX and try to ENJOY yourself, and get out of your lawyer shoes at
> 12:30 am? I smell a litigator or CDA. Anyone else?
>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra

Haven't I read this before? Oh yeah, I wrote this before. =)

Give the the big bowl of water so I can publicly wash my hands of this
mess...

--
Wound Up
ThunderSnake #65

wrote:

> Too many details have been overlooked and obmitted for someone who
> wants us to believe that he knows what he is actually talking about.
>
> Besides, how about a simple blanket comment, like, "I'm -truly- going
> to
> argue this ad nauseam", or, "I'm trying to prove beyond the shadow of
a
>
> doubt that I'm an insufferable, stat-crazed know-it-all who STILL
> MISSES
> THE DAMNED POINT with my snotty value judgments that I'm attempting
to
> pass on as gospel"? And some free advice thrown in - quit taking
> yourself so damned seriously. Life is too short. My God, how much
> time are you actually going to spend on this endeavor? Why don't you
> RELAX and try to ENJOY yourself, and get out of your lawyer shoes at
> 12:30 am? I smell a litigator or CDA. Anyone else?

Thank you for that wise and caring critique. I've just dictated
letters to all the attorneys I have bested over the years, disclosing
all the lies I used to ruin their clients' lives. Now with the blood
flowing from my wrists, I type my last words. Adieu, mes freres,
adieu. (Hey, I didn't know I could speak French. Cool!)

Out no. 180
TS no. 28
Dust Devil no. 1
Troll Level no. 0.5

CobraJet wrote:

> He is, or at least was, a lawyer. And he has gone over the deep
end.
> However, you criticizing someone who lives and breathes road tests is
> the old ebony kitchen utensil diatribe.

Who's criticizing?! lol I'm just taking good-hearted jabs at him
because the abuse he has taken is the same exact abuse I took, and some
of the abuse is the same I took from him. How ironic is that?

As for his current profession, I really don't care... and I don't think
it's any of our damn business.

And I don't see him as "gone over the deep end." Most of what he
wrote, apparently, was true. What I found troubling was why his post
wasn't simply "corrected", and why instead he was picked apart
personally. The only thing I could figure is that the topic was
politically incorrect for that NG, so the ol' smear campaign was
deployed.

(Note to 180: I'm not trying to sidetrack your thread here. We'll get
back to the 12-second musclecar debate soon, I promise.)

Patrick
'93 Cobra

I write to you from "the other side," and I just want to tell you that
all you guys that gave Chad Woodhams such a hard time in that "Jesus
Christ" thread are in A LOT of trouble. Turns out he and Evangelist 2
were right about everything. However, since up here we all have to
drive Priuses, drink Lite beer, and wear condoms EVERY DAMN TIME, you
might not want to make it in after all.

This is really funny, but it turns out the "other place" got set up
about 40 years ago as an EXACT copy of what the United States in 1964,
except that they were not allowed to pass any civil rights laws, no
pollution regulations, no land use regulation. Nothing but plutocratic
white males running the place and doing as they please for the past 40
years. What a mess! You might call it a real hell hole, but that
wouldn't be very original.

NoOp Patrick wrote:

>> CobraJet wrote:

>>=A0He is, or at least was, a lawyer. And he has gone
>> over the deep end.

>> However, you criticizing someone who lives and
>> breathes road tests is the old ebony kitchen utensil diatribe.

Aside from the fact that I do not live and breath anymore, I don't know
what you're talking about.

> Who's criticizing?! =A0lol =A0I'm just taking good-hearted jabs at him
> because the abuse he has taken is the same exact abuse I took,
> and some of the abuse is the same I took from him. =A0How ironic is
that?

About as ironic as a NG that pretends to reject political correctness
showing itself -- repeatedly -- to be more dogmatic and humorless about
departures from the party line than any Jesus freak could ever dream
of. About as ironic as a NG that lectures one of the few members who
actually drives an on topic car with any frequency about the intangible
virtues of the old iron. About as ironic as a guy the vast bulk of
whose knowledge comes from reading magazine articles, as opposed to
hands-on experience, dismissing another poster's magazine-based
information. About as ironic as a guy who imagines he possesses a
little wisdom thinking he could actually have a friendly and open
discussion on the Usenet, without it descending from the word go into
smears, innuendos, and name-calling. About as ironic as seeing the
same guy who once spent about two weeks arguing with NoOp Patrick that
his mind is closed to the possibility of 12 second '60's stock
musclecars, being accused of having closed his mind to the goodness of
'60's stock musclecars. About as ironic as . . . well you get the
idea.

Catch ya later, it's choir practice time.

180 Out

Wound Up wrote:

> NoOp Patrick wrote:

>> Too many details have been overlooked and obmitted
>> for someone who wants us to believe that he knows what
>> he is actually talking about.

> Haven't I read this before? =A0Oh yeah, I wrote this before. =A0=3D)

I hate when people plagerize and use it as their own. Show your sources
you pathetic wannabe.

180 Out