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What are mid 90's Alfas like on LPG?
As the time to actually buy a new car approaches, I just an inredible
thought. While the Saab has to go, period, I could get something with an equally juicy engine if it could be run on LPG. While I said before, no V6's because of economy, maybe that wouldn't be the case if it could safely and comfortabley run on LPG instead of petrol. That would put the 155 V6 and possibly the 164 v6 (only possibly because of the sheer size of the vehicle) firmly in the affordable luxury cruiser bracket. I know the conversion might cost way more than the car (depending on whether the 164 keeps climbing in price), but it wouldn't take long with a V6 to reap the fuel benefits, especially if I keep the car for a couple of years, and move it on before fuel duty on LPG equals that of Petrol. What does everyone think? -- Carl Robson (The poster formerly known as Skodapilot) http://www.bouncing-czechs.com |
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> From: MeatballTurbo > > Organization: Bouncing-czechs.com > Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:30:03 +0100 > Subject: What are mid 90's Alfas like on LPG? > > As the time to actually buy a new car approaches, I just an inredible > thought. While the Saab has to go, period, I could get something with an > equally juicy engine if it could be run on LPG. > > While I said before, no V6's because of economy, maybe that wouldn't be > the case if it could safely and comfortabley run on LPG instead of > petrol. > > That would put the 155 V6 and possibly the 164 v6 (only possibly because > of the sheer size of the vehicle) firmly in the affordable luxury > cruiser bracket. I know the conversion might cost way more than the car > (depending on whether the 164 keeps climbing in price), but it wouldn't > take long with a V6 to reap the fuel benefits, especially if I keep the > car for a couple of years, and move it on before fuel duty on LPG equals > that of Petrol. > > What does everyone think? All right for a Range Rover, but it would be utter sacrilege to an Alfa V6. |
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Many, many Alfa's of those days were equipped with an LPG system in The
Netherlands (Diesel is more popular nowadays) Weight will hardly be a problem as the LPG tank will be mouted over the rear axle and the petrol tank will be nearly empty. It will costs you some boot space unless you invest in an (expensive) modern tank that comes in the spare tyre space. Alfa's do go very nice on LPG as well as they are relativily high compression engines. The fuel consumption is approx 10-15% higher than on petrol. -- Ciao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Alfa red 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000) Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) "MeatballTurbo" > schreef in bericht t... > In article >, am > says... > > > > > > > From: MeatballTurbo > > > > Organization: Bouncing-czechs.com > > > Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo > > > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:30:03 +0100 > > > Subject: What are mid 90's Alfas like on LPG? > > > > > > As the time to actually buy a new car approaches, I just an inredible > > > thought. While the Saab has to go, period, I could get something with an > > > equally juicy engine if it could be run on LPG. > > > > > > While I said before, no V6's because of economy, maybe that wouldn't be > > > the case if it could safely and comfortabley run on LPG instead of > > > petrol. > > > > > > That would put the 155 V6 and possibly the 164 v6 (only possibly because > > > of the sheer size of the vehicle) firmly in the affordable luxury > > > cruiser bracket. I know the conversion might cost way more than the car > > > (depending on whether the 164 keeps climbing in price), but it wouldn't > > > take long with a V6 to reap the fuel benefits, especially if I keep the > > > car for a couple of years, and move it on before fuel duty on LPG equals > > > that of Petrol. > > > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > All right for a Range Rover, but it would be utter sacrilege to an Alfa V6. > > > > > Don't see how. It has a lower calorific value, so you burn more, but at > a lower price, but it actually has a higher octane rating, so you could > run higher compression ration, or more ignition advance before knock > sets in. > > Plus, in something like 164 or a 75, wouldn't the weight of the tank of > LPG at the rear of the vehicle return some of the balance that was lost > over the TS models due to the extra engine weight? > -- > The poster formerly known as Skodapilot. > http://www.bouncing-czechs.com |
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In article <9xsQc.4427$vH5.3866@amstwist00>,
spouted forth into alt.autos.alfa-romeo... > Alfa's do go very nice on LPG as well as they are relativily high > compression engines. > The fuel consumption is approx 10-15% higher than on petrol. > Thanks, just the kind of info I wanted. -- Carl Robson (The poster formerly known as Skodapilot) http://www.bouncing-czechs.com |
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MeatballTurbo > wrote:
> Plus, in something like 164 or a 75, wouldn't the weight of the tank of > LPG at the rear of the vehicle return some of the balance that was lost > over the TS models due to the extra engine weight? Might help a 164, but would bugger up the delicate balance of a 75. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |
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In article > ,
spouted forth into alt.autos.alfa-romeo... > MeatballTurbo > wrote: > > > Plus, in something like 164 or a 75, wouldn't the weight of the tank of > > LPG at the rear of the vehicle return some of the balance that was lost > > over the TS models due to the extra engine weight? > > Might help a 164, but would bugger up the delicate balance of a 75. > Even a V6? I thought a 155 V6 would be equally imbalanced as a 164 would be, maybe even more so, because of the smaller size? -- Carl Robson (The poster formerly known as Skodapilot) http://www.bouncing-czechs.com |
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MeatballTurbo > wrote:
> In article > , > spouted forth into alt.autos.alfa-romeo... > > MeatballTurbo > wrote: > > > > > Plus, in something like 164 or a 75, wouldn't the weight of the tank of > > > LPG at the rear of the vehicle return some of the balance that was lost > > > over the TS models due to the extra engine weight? > > > > Might help a 164, but would bugger up the delicate balance of a 75. > > > Even a V6? I thought a 155 V6 would be equally imbalanced as a 164 would > be, maybe even more so, because of the smaller size? Who said anything about a 155? -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |
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> From: (SteveH) > Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:29:37 +0100 > Subject: What are mid 90's Alfas like on LPG? > > MeatballTurbo > wrote: > >> Plus, in something like 164 or a 75, wouldn't the weight of the tank of >> LPG at the rear of the vehicle return some of the balance that was lost >> over the TS models due to the extra engine weight? > > Might help a 164, but would bugger up the delicate balance of a 75. As an owner of a 164 TSpark and a 164 QV 24v I don't think the V6 is unbalanced at all. Both cars have very different handling characteristics but whereas the TSpark feels light and the V6 slightly heavier, with all the extra power, the V6 feels as if it needs to be heavier. I would be a bit concerned with all that power through the front wheels and only the weight of the TSpark to keep it in check. I always think the TSpark is like a hot hatch (albeit a bit of a wobbly one, but we'll soon sort that) whereas the QV is like a proper sports saloon. |
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> All right for a Range Rover, but it would be utter sacrilege to an Alfa V6.
apart from that, I seem to remember that adapting V6 engines to LPG is hard/expensive/non-standard. At the very least, lease-companies in The Netherlands do not offer any V6 engined cars on LPG, and even the LPG fitting stations do not list any V6 in their "no problems with... " lists. I would advise to wait for some actual experiences on this combination before taking the risk. Had 3 cars on LPG myself, a 1996 145 1.4 i.e. (disastrous until properly tuned by an Alfa specialist - numerous backfires resulting in lots of broken air filters), a 1999 156 1.8 TS (no problems whatsoever) and a 1998 Honda Civic Coupe 1.6 ESI (no problems but OT). HTH, Paul 156 SP1 1.9 JTD Madeno tuned to 152 bhp - www.madeno.nl |
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