Red light never changes

On 2009-07-15, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
> In message >, Brent
> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-07-14, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
>>> In message >, Brent
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2009-07-14, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
>>>>> In message >, Brent
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...78 .17,,0,7.6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Um, that's halfway around the corner and two feet in from a high square
>>>>>>curb. That would be very akward to try to operate. Wheels rubbing
>>>>>>against the curb, leaning over....
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know you were a midget...
>>>>
>>>>I didn't realize you didn't understand the physics of a two wheeled
>>>>vehicle.
>>>
>>> Nice distraction attempt.
>>
>>So you really are that ignorant of the physics.
>
> What a ridiculous argument.

Try doing a track stand and reach over to the side. See what happens.

>>> The fact remains: *I* have no problem
>>> pressing the button. If you can't reach a button that's two feet away
>>> from the curb, I can only surmise that you must be about two feet
>>> tall.

>>That button is perfect for a short person.

> I'm 6'1" and I have no problem reaching it.

Because you plod along in the gutter and probably for all effective
purposes are dismounted when you do it. And I'm 3 inches taller than
you.

>>Try the opposite oh physics impaired one.

> No need, O Logic Impaired One.

> Once again, I have no problem hitting the button. Your ridiculous
> theory is therefore disproved.

Do a track stand and then lean over to your right and reach down.

>>Not everyone plods along in the gutter ya know.

> The bike lanes here are generally right next to the curb, making that
> button placement pretty much optimal.

I thought you had fantasy world bike lanes that weren't a line striping
off the gutter?

The button is two feet inside the curb and below the shoulder level of
any bicyclist of decent height. There's no reaching it from a proper
riding location, even with my long arms should I put my feet down. Not
to mention it's half way through a right turn. I suppose it's somewhat
functional if you're making a right turn, but if you're making a right
turn you don't need the light to turn green.

In article >,
Scott in SoCal > wrote:
>In message >, The Real Bev
> wrote:
>
>>The lights here NEVER change for bicyclists. I asked a traffic engineer, who
>>confirmed it. Are we required to wait for a car to trip the sensor? Do we
>>have to dismount (generally required) in order to push the WALK button? What
>>if we just go when it's safe?
>
>Um, how about just reaching over and hitting the pedalcyclist button?

1) There isn't one.
2) A lot of times the pedestrian buttons aren't connected either.

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"Brent" > wrote in message
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> On 2009-07-14, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
> > In message >, Brent
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 2009-07-13, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
> >>> In message >, The Real Bev
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>The lights here NEVER change for bicyclists. I asked a traffic
engineer, who
> >>>>confirmed it. Are we required to wait for a car to trip the sensor?
Do we
> >>>>have to dismount (generally required) in order to push the WALK
button? What
> >>>>if we just go when it's safe?
> >>>
> >>> Um, how about just reaching over and hitting the pedalcyclist button?
> >>
> >>Reaching over? Try getting out of the lane, going over and on to the
> >>sidewalk, pressing the button and returning.
> >
> > Those sounds like *pedestrian* buttons to me.
>
> That's all that exists if any buttons exist where I am.
>
> > Pedalcyclist buttons are always located close to the curb. You don't
> > even have to dismount to reach them.
>
> Nothing says America like kludge on top of kludge.
>
> >
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...78 .17,,0,7.6
>
> Um, that's halfway around the corner

It's nowhere near halfway around the corner. It's about 2-3 feet before the
stop line.

> and two feet in from a high square
> curb. That would be very akward to try to operate. Wheels rubbing
> against the curb, leaning over....
>
utter nonsense

On 2009-07-16, Tim B > wrote:
>
> "Brent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2009-07-14, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
>> > In message >, Brent
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2009-07-13, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
>> >>> In message >, The Real Bev
>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>The lights here NEVER change for bicyclists. I asked a traffic
> engineer, who
>> >>>>confirmed it. Are we required to wait for a car to trip the sensor?
> Do we
>> >>>>have to dismount (generally required) in order to push the WALK
> button? What
>> >>>>if we just go when it's safe?
>> >>>
>> >>> Um, how about just reaching over and hitting the pedalcyclist button?
>> >>
>> >>Reaching over? Try getting out of the lane, going over and on to the
>> >>sidewalk, pressing the button and returning.
>> >
>> > Those sounds like *pedestrian* buttons to me.
>>
>> That's all that exists if any buttons exist where I am.
>>
>> > Pedalcyclist buttons are always located close to the curb. You don't
>> > even have to dismount to reach them.
>>
>> Nothing says America like kludge on top of kludge.
>>
>> >
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...78 .17,,0,7.6
>>
>> Um, that's halfway around the corner
>
> It's nowhere near halfway around the corner. It's about 2-3 feet before the
> stop line.

It's not the stop line (although I didn't spin the camera to see where it
was) but the curb is already curving away. It's a right turn lane and if you're
along that curb you better be turning right because it's an idiotic location to
go straight or turn left from.

>> and two feet in from a high square
>> curb. That would be very akward to try to operate. Wheels rubbing
>> against the curb, leaning over....

> utter nonsense

I'd have a better chance kicking that thing with my foot. It's barely higher
than the fire plug. It's only about 3-3.5 of it's own length above the ground.
It's well below shoulder height when in the saddle.

On Jul 16, 1:30*am, Brent > wrote:
> On 2009-07-16, Tim B > wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > "Brent" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 2009-07-14, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
> >> > In message >, Brent
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >>On 2009-07-13, Scott in SoCal > wrote:
> >> >>> In message >, The Real Bev
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >>>>The lights here NEVER change for bicyclists. I asked a traffic
> > engineer, who
> >> >>>>confirmed it. *Are we required to wait for a car to trip the sensor?
> > Do we
> >> >>>>have to dismount (generally required) in order to push the WALK
> > button? *What
> >> >>>>if we just go when it's safe?
>
> >> >>> Um, how about just reaching over and hitting the pedalcyclist button?
>
> >> >>Reaching over? *Try getting out of the lane, going over and on to the
> >> >>sidewalk, pressing the button and returning.
>
> >> > Those sounds like *pedestrian* buttons to me.
>
> >> That's all that exists if any buttons exist where I am.
>
> >> > Pedalcyclist buttons are always located close to the curb. You don't
> >> > even have to dismount to reach them.
>
> >> Nothing says America like kludge on top of kludge.
>
> >http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...e=&q=92620&sll...
>
> >> Um, that's halfway around the corner
>
> > It's nowhere near halfway around the corner. It's about 2-3 feet before the
> > stop line.
>
> It's not the stop line (although I didn't spin the camera to see where it
> was) but the curb is already curving away. It's a right turn lane and if you're
> along that curb you better be turning right because it's an idiotic location to
> go straight or turn left from. *
>
> >> and two feet in from a high square
> >> curb. That would be very akward to try to operate. Wheels rubbing
> >> against the curb, leaning over....
> > utter nonsense
>
> I'd have a better chance kicking that thing with my foot. It's barely higher
> than the fire plug. It's only about 3-3.5 of it's own length above the ground.
> It's well below shoulder height when in the saddle.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
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Kind of pathetic this thread started out as a discussion about a
suitcase trafficlight that will not turn green from after dusk until
dawn, and now it's a bunch of cyclists debating pedalcyclist &
pedestrian walk buttons!!

Come onnn!!

-Warner Wolf