Dashboards - I don't get it

On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:39:59 -0500, Hachiroku ???? >
wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:30:34 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 00:19:16 -0500, Hachiroku ???? >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 23:51:35 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2011-06-06, Vic Smith > wrote:
>>>>> Since the passenger airbag went off on my kid's '95 Bonneville he's
>>>>> replaced the dashboard and seats.
>>>>> He picked up a clean console dash he liked at the boneyard, and bucket
>>>>> seats. His split bench seats are in my garage.
>>>>> Next week he's going to fit the driver's Pontiac seat into my '97
>>>>> Lumina, which has collapsed on the left side.
>>>>> Every Lumina seat he's seen in a boneyard is likewise collapsed.
>>>>> Can't get them from GM, but an upholsterer can fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I spent some time watching him replace his dash and seats.
>>>>> Dashboard is a huge job. Not for the faint at heart.
>>>>> It got me to thinking why dashboards aren't designed with multiple
>>>>> segments - maybe 3 pieces.
>>>>> If you've ever replaced a heater core or instrument cluster, you know
>>>>> what I mean.
>>>>> You've all heard the dreaded words, "Have to remove the dashboard, so
>>>>> you're looking at $6-700 right there."
>>>>> There's plenty of connection brackets behind the firewall to secure
>>>>> the pieces.
>>>>> Only reason I can think why a dash is one piece is the cosmetics of an
>>>>> uninterrupted line.
>>>>> A windshield-length, fairly easily detachable piece could cover
>>>>> segment lines if the public wouldn't go for 2 simple gap covers.
>>>>> You can do a lot with modern plastics. Wouldn't look bad at all.
>>>>> Besides the common issues requiring pulling the dash, now, with airbag
>>>>> deployment wrecking a dash, you would think at minimum, the airbag
>>>>> would be in a dash segment so you don't have to replace the entire
>>>>> dash.
>>>>> Maybe I'm missing something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One big mold is often cheaper than many small molds. The assembly of one
>>>> big piece generally costs less than the assembly of many small ones.
>>>> Essentially it's just designed for assembly. I can see how it all goes
>>>> together in the factory. Easy to put together... a pain to take apart.
>>>>
>>>> What really should be done is design for service where the components
>>>> under the dash can be replaced without removing the dash. I replaced the
>>>> heater core in a mazda once... manual said to remove the dash. I didn't.
>>>> The whole thing would have been relatively easy except for the fact that
>>>> one of the pieces in the way... part of the duct work as I recall had
>>>> closed slots instead of open slots. With open slots it would have come
>>>> off the studs easily without removing the dash. I broke bridges at the
>>>> end of the slots and removed it making the heater core accessible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Followup to the airbag going off for no apparent reason in the
>>>>> Bonnevile.
>>>>> When my kid was walking on the floor after he pulled the passenger
>>>>> seat, he heard water dripping on the garage floor.
>>>>> His walking had popped an underbody drain plug.
>>>>> It's directly under or very near the airbag control module, which sits
>>>>> on the floorpan under the carpet there.
>>>>> Maybe a cup of water drained out.
>>>>> I felt the carpet over the control module and it was dry.
>>>>
>>>> Could be the AC condensation line.
>>>
>>>
>>>Old joke about the "car being built around the heater core"...
>>>
>>>I had a '97 Chrysler LHS. I was working for a Toyota dealer, but my shop
>>>was located in the neighboring Chrylser dealer.
>>>
>>>I filled the system with a "blow up can" of R-134, and it actually blew
>>>cold air for about 2 days, then back to hot...
>>>
>>>One of the real good techs in the Chrysler repair shop said they would
>>>have to replace the core at the exchanger, and that would mean removing
>>>the dash, and even with my discount would be about $2500.
>>>
>>>
>>>That car made a REAL nice winter car...
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like the perfect car to try a can of AC sealer on.
>
>
>Traded it for $600 towards the Scion in 2006
>
>STILL kicking myself...
>

I rode in one of those Scion's that look like a refrigerator on it's
side. It was the worst riding car I've ever ridden in except for an
International Scout with one completely broken rear left spring (main
leaves all broke at the shackle) that was replaced with a chunk of
railroad tie between the axle and frame for the trip home.

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 01:25:20 +0000, Brent wrote:


> Customers don't want bench seats. As you mentioned, customers either
> don't care about the dashboard being one piece or three or want it one
> piece for cosmetics. The small minority who want multiple pieces for
> service aren't going to decide not to buy a car because of it.

This customer does. I hate center consoles that bump my knees and make
me feel cramped into a small space. All my cars have bench seats.

On Jun 7, 9:40*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> On 06/07/2011 06:25 PM, Brent wrote:

> conversely, while it may take only a minute to clip in a dash, they
> don't do 60 per hour, they do say 10 per hour

Who is the "they" to whom you refer?

On 06/08/2011 02:50 PM, cavedweller wrote:
> On Jun 7, 9:40�pm, jim > wrote:
>> On 06/07/2011 06:25 PM, Brent wrote:
>
>> conversely, while it may take only a minute to clip in a dash, they
>> don't do 60 per hour, they do say 10 per hour
>
> Who is the "they" to whom you refer?
>

who are.

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-mythical-they/


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On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:47:52 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:39:59 -0500, Hachiroku ???? >
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:30:34 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 00:19:16 -0500, Hachiroku ???? >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 23:51:35 +0000, Brent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2011-06-06, Vic Smith > wrote:
>>>>>> Since the passenger airbag went off on my kid's '95 Bonneville he's
>>>>>> replaced the dashboard and seats.
>>>>>> He picked up a clean console dash he liked at the boneyard, and bucket
>>>>>> seats. His split bench seats are in my garage.
>>>>>> Next week he's going to fit the driver's Pontiac seat into my '97
>>>>>> Lumina, which has collapsed on the left side.
>>>>>> Every Lumina seat he's seen in a boneyard is likewise collapsed.
>>>>>> Can't get them from GM, but an upholsterer can fix it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I spent some time watching him replace his dash and seats.
>>>>>> Dashboard is a huge job. Not for the faint at heart.
>>>>>> It got me to thinking why dashboards aren't designed with multiple
>>>>>> segments - maybe 3 pieces.
>>>>>> If you've ever replaced a heater core or instrument cluster, you know
>>>>>> what I mean.
>>>>>> You've all heard the dreaded words, "Have to remove the dashboard, so
>>>>>> you're looking at $6-700 right there."
>>>>>> There's plenty of connection brackets behind the firewall to secure
>>>>>> the pieces.
>>>>>> Only reason I can think why a dash is one piece is the cosmetics of an
>>>>>> uninterrupted line.
>>>>>> A windshield-length, fairly easily detachable piece could cover
>>>>>> segment lines if the public wouldn't go for 2 simple gap covers.
>>>>>> You can do a lot with modern plastics. Wouldn't look bad at all.
>>>>>> Besides the common issues requiring pulling the dash, now, with airbag
>>>>>> deployment wrecking a dash, you would think at minimum, the airbag
>>>>>> would be in a dash segment so you don't have to replace the entire
>>>>>> dash.
>>>>>> Maybe I'm missing something.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One big mold is often cheaper than many small molds. The assembly of one
>>>>> big piece generally costs less than the assembly of many small ones.
>>>>> Essentially it's just designed for assembly. I can see how it all goes
>>>>> together in the factory. Easy to put together... a pain to take apart.
>>>>>
>>>>> What really should be done is design for service where the components
>>>>> under the dash can be replaced without removing the dash. I replaced the
>>>>> heater core in a mazda once... manual said to remove the dash. I didn't.
>>>>> The whole thing would have been relatively easy except for the fact that
>>>>> one of the pieces in the way... part of the duct work as I recall had
>>>>> closed slots instead of open slots. With open slots it would have come
>>>>> off the studs easily without removing the dash. I broke bridges at the
>>>>> end of the slots and removed it making the heater core accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Followup to the airbag going off for no apparent reason in the
>>>>>> Bonnevile.
>>>>>> When my kid was walking on the floor after he pulled the passenger
>>>>>> seat, he heard water dripping on the garage floor.
>>>>>> His walking had popped an underbody drain plug.
>>>>>> It's directly under or very near the airbag control module, which sits
>>>>>> on the floorpan under the carpet there.
>>>>>> Maybe a cup of water drained out.
>>>>>> I felt the carpet over the control module and it was dry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be the AC condensation line.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Old joke about the "car being built around the heater core"...
>>>>
>>>>I had a '97 Chrysler LHS. I was working for a Toyota dealer, but my shop
>>>>was located in the neighboring Chrylser dealer.
>>>>
>>>>I filled the system with a "blow up can" of R-134, and it actually blew
>>>>cold air for about 2 days, then back to hot...
>>>>
>>>>One of the real good techs in the Chrysler repair shop said they would
>>>>have to replace the core at the exchanger, and that would mean removing
>>>>the dash, and even with my discount would be about $2500.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That car made a REAL nice winter car...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like the perfect car to try a can of AC sealer on.
>>
>>
>>Traded it for $600 towards the Scion in 2006
>>
>>STILL kicking myself...
>>
>
> I rode in one of those Scion's that look like a refrigerator on it's
> side. It was the worst riding car I've ever ridden in except for an
> International Scout with one completely broken rear left spring (main
> leaves all broke at the shackle) that was replaced with a chunk of
> railroad tie between the axle and frame for the trip home.

Since I play in a band, I looked at one of those. Nah, it was NOT going to
take my cabinets and basses! At that time it was only a 1.5L Tercel engine.

I opted for the tC, the "touring coupe", but had to install a Celica seat
since I didn't like feeling like I was driving a kitchen table...much
better with the lower seat!

BTW, the car is FAST! I didn't get the Supercharger...I can't even IMAGINE
205 HP in that car! 165 is PLENTY!

That said, I think I'll go have a look at a Civic Si...

On Jun 8, 6:02*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> On 06/08/2011 02:50 PM, cavedweller wrote:
>
> > On Jun 7, 9:40 pm, jim > *wrote:
> >> On 06/07/2011 06:25 PM, Brent wrote:
>
> >> conversely, while it may take only a minute to clip in a dash, they
> >> don't do 60 per hour, they do say 10 per hour
>
> > Who is the "they" to whom you refer?
>
> who are.
>
> http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-mythical-they/
>
> --
> nomina rutrum rutrum

Quite. Are "they" installing 10 IPs per hour?

On 06/08/2011 06:19 PM, cavedweller wrote:
> On Jun 8, 6:02�pm, jim > wrote:
>> On 06/08/2011 02:50 PM, cavedweller wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 9:40 pm, jim > �wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2011 06:25 PM, Brent wrote:
>>
>>>> conversely, while it may take only a minute to clip in a dash, they
>>>> don't do 60 per hour, they do say 10 per hour
>>
>>> Who is the "they" to whom you refer?
>>
>> who are.
>>
>> http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-mythical-they/
>>
>> --
>> nomina rutrum rutrum
>
> Quite. Are "they" installing 10 IPs per hour?

looks like there's something you're just itching to say - don't beat
about the bush dude, spit it out.


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