How to **** Off an Arrogant Pedalcyclist

what does THIS button do? wrote:
> I would GLADLY pay oh... 5% of what car drivers pay (a gross, vast,
> incredibly disproportionate overpayment), priviso they Shut The Hell Up
> Forever, and queue up behind my muscular spandexed ass for my new
> morning commute along Kirk Road and Fabyan Parkway
> <http://tinyurl.com/7zumr>
>
> Heck -- I'll pay 2X what an "average" Lincoln Navigator contributes to
> do that. It would be so worth it. "Oh ****, they're paying to be here
> -- what now?"

I'd say, "Now at least you're equally qualified to be here -- provided
you follow the rules like the rest of us do. Such as letting us pass
if you're not going to go as fast as we want to!"

How am i supposed to know how fast you want to go? Based on my 2X,
i'd say i'm twice as qualified to be there.

Besides, the route i spec'd out in my URL is two lanes each way. Go
around.

..max

John David Galt wrote:

> what does THIS button do? wrote:
>
>> I would GLADLY pay oh... 5% of what car drivers pay (a gross, vast,
>> incredibly disproportionate overpayment), priviso they Shut The Hell Up
>> Forever, and queue up behind my muscular spandexed ass for my new
>> morning commute along Kirk Road and Fabyan Parkway
>> <http://tinyurl.com/7zumr>
>>
>> Heck -- I'll pay 2X what an "average" Lincoln Navigator contributes to
>> do that. It would be so worth it. "Oh ****, they're paying to be here
>> -- what now?"
>
>
> I'd say, "Now at least you're equally qualified to be here -- provided
> you follow the rules like the rest of us do. Such as letting us pass
> if you're not going to go as fast as we want to!"

The problem, of course, is that it's impossible to get *drivers* to do
that... now I haven't had much problem with bicyclists but that is
probably because only the hardest of core ride on the roads around here...

nate

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(Brent P) wrote in
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> In article >, Jim Yanik
> wrote:
>> (Brent P) wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> In article >, Jim Yanik
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You pay for each and every auto you use on public roads.
>>>> You don't get to pay for one and the rest go for free.
>>>> Even motorcycles must pay for each MC used on the roads.
>>>> You haven't paid for any of your bikes.
>>>> Yet you expect the same priveleges as autos.
>>>
>>> Are you going to pay the taxes to collect a fair bicycle tax? I'll
>>> pay my annual 75 cents if you'll pay the dollar or more in
>>> collection costs.
>
>> Why would a bicycle tax cost any more than the auto tax to collect?
>
> It wouldn't. A fair tax would be less than the cost of collection.

"fair"? Fair would be bicycles paying to use the roads just like any auto
does.And such autos fees begin usually at $25 per year.

>
>> The agency is already established;the motor vehicle department.
>> (it just needs renaming)
>
> It still doesn't function at zero cost.
>
>> It would be enforced just like autos are;by the existing police
>> department.
>>
>> Also,why would you assume that a USER fee would only be $.75? In most
>> states,there's a minimum fee for any auto regardless of weight or
>> size.Maybe around $25.00.
>
> So you want a puntive tax on bicyclists. Like cigarettes or alcohol.

Why is it "punitive"? Every auto pays it,even the tiniest ones.
Motorcycles pay it.Only BICYCLES don't.

>
> Your agenda isn't fairness, it's punishment.

Fair is *all* road users paying the fee.
If bicycles want to use the road,then fairness would be them paying the
fee.Not punishment by any means.


>
>>>
>>> But let's examine your aruguement another way. It would be ok in
>>> your eyes for him to have his 5 cars and my 3 cars on the road at
>>> the same time, but not our two bicycles? You'd rather have 8 cars on
>>> the road taking up space than two bicycles that together don't even
>>> take up the space of one car. Seems insane to me.
>
>> * 8 cars that have paid their usage fee.
>> They are not paying for any "space" they take up,just the *use* of
>> the road.
>> It's a USER fee.
>
> All 8 cars can legally be on the road at the same time. You clearly
> prefer 8 cars on the road over 2 bicyclists. Why I have no clue, other
> than an irrational hate of bicyclists.

well,it certainly is not hate of bicyclists per se. Only when they are
using roads and slowing down traffic(which they DO do).



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Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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In article >, Jim Yanik wrote:
> (Brent P) wrote in
> :
>
>> In article >, Jim Yanik
>> wrote:
>>> (Brent P) wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> In article >, Jim Yanik
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You pay for each and every auto you use on public roads.
>>>>> You don't get to pay for one and the rest go for free.
>>>>> Even motorcycles must pay for each MC used on the roads.
>>>>> You haven't paid for any of your bikes.
>>>>> Yet you expect the same priveleges as autos.
>>>>
>>>> Are you going to pay the taxes to collect a fair bicycle tax? I'll
>>>> pay my annual 75 cents if you'll pay the dollar or more in
>>>> collection costs.
>>
>>> Why would a bicycle tax cost any more than the auto tax to collect?
>>
>> It wouldn't. A fair tax would be less than the cost of collection.
>
> "fair"? Fair would be bicycles paying to use the roads just like any auto
> does.And such autos fees begin usually at $25 per year.

Fair. as in based on wear and tear done, space taken up, etc. You want to
charge bicycles the same as a the smallest of cars which are more than 50
times heavier and take up a full lane. I'll wager you won't allow
bicyclists a full lane all the time under this scheme. You want a
punitive tax.

>>
>>> The agency is already established;the motor vehicle department.
>>> (it just needs renaming)
>>
>> It still doesn't function at zero cost.
>>
>>> It would be enforced just like autos are;by the existing police
>>> department.
>>>
>>> Also,why would you assume that a USER fee would only be $.75? In most
>>> states,there's a minimum fee for any auto regardless of weight or
>>> size.Maybe around $25.00.
>>
>> So you want a puntive tax on bicyclists. Like cigarettes or alcohol.

> Why is it "punitive"? Every auto pays it,even the tiniest ones.
> Motorcycles pay it.Only BICYCLES don't.

Because it's way out of proportion. Motorcycles get a full lane all the
time. Motorcycles get to use interstates and other limited access
highways. Motorcycles get a lot more.

>> Your agenda isn't fairness, it's punishment.

> Fair is *all* road users paying the fee.
> If bicycles want to use the road,then fairness would be them paying the
> fee.Not punishment by any means.

I said I'd gladly pay my annual 75 cents. If you want me to pay more, I
expect to ride down the center of any lane I choose on any road I choose
just like the other vehicles.


>>>>
>>>> But let's examine your aruguement another way. It would be ok in
>>>> your eyes for him to have his 5 cars and my 3 cars on the road at
>>>> the same time, but not our two bicycles? You'd rather have 8 cars on
>>>> the road taking up space than two bicycles that together don't even
>>>> take up the space of one car. Seems insane to me.
>>
>>> * 8 cars that have paid their usage fee.
>>> They are not paying for any "space" they take up,just the *use* of
>>> the road.
>>> It's a USER fee.
>>
>> All 8 cars can legally be on the road at the same time. You clearly
>> prefer 8 cars on the road over 2 bicyclists. Why I have no clue, other
>> than an irrational hate of bicyclists.
>
> well,it certainly is not hate of bicyclists per se. Only when they are
> using roads and slowing down traffic(which they DO do).

Clearly why you want a punitive tax. Because you don't want bicycles on
the road. Traffic is slowed by incompetent drivers far more than bicyclists.

"Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
.. .

> Fair is *all* road users paying the fee.
> If bicycles want to use the road,then fairness would be them paying the
> fee.Not punishment by any means.

How much do you suggest we charge pedestrians to use sidewalks or the roads
when no sidewalks are present?

Cheto

wrote in
ups.com:

>
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>> It's a USER fee.
>
> Well, Jim, if you're serious about road taxes for bicycles, I
> suggest you quit wasting your time here. Stop haranguing us.
> Start haranguing your legislators.
>
> When they dismiss you as a crackpot, you can put your energy into
> running for office. Make bicycle taxes the centerpiece of your
> campaign.
>
> And when the voters dismiss you as a crackpot, I suggest growing
> long hair and a long beard, wearing a robe, and parading the
> streets with a sign on a stick.
>
And this sign should say "Certified Asshole"

Jim Yanik .> wrote in
> "fair"? Fair would be bicycles paying to use the roads just like
> any auto does.And such autos fees begin usually at $25 per year.
>
Sorry Jim "fair" would be that the fees are paid to cyclist given that
they don't cause the injuries and social havoc that other motor
vehicles do plus make no negative contribution to the enviroment. I
would suggest that about $5000/year be paid to commuting cyclist on a
declining scale depending on mileage.

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On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:58:32 -0500, Brent P , said the following in
rec.autos.driving...


> Fair. as in based on wear and tear done, space taken up, etc.

Fair. As in costs to construct a road that wouldn't be there if it
weren't for cars....

In article et>, Paul wrote:
><rec.bicycles.misc removed>
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:58:32 -0500, Brent P , said the following in
> rec.autos.driving...
>
>
>> Fair. as in based on wear and tear done, space taken up, etc.
>
> Fair. As in costs to construct a road that wouldn't be there if it
> weren't for cars....

That would be ZERO. Bicycles easily make their own trails.