Aftermarket brake parts

On Dec 9, 9:18*pm, "hls" > wrote:
> "jfran" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> >> A lot of dealership parts cost 2-3 times as much as quality aftermarket,
> >> and are not one bit better, if as good.
>
> > This is completely wrong.
>
> No, it isnt. *Your saying that is it has no relation to anything.
> I am speaking broadly, but I have bought aftermarket parts for GM which
> bear the SAME number as the GM parts, at .25-.33 the cost.
>
> So be a bit more specific.
>
> WTF do you think most manufacturers buy their parts...they dont make them,
> generally.
> They specify and buy from suppliers which are, coincidentally,in the
> aftermarket.
>
> There may be exceptions, but there is a lot of money wasted on dealership
> parts which
> is money ****ed away.

as for GM, the brown box OE pads are not the same as the delco
durastop. The compound is completely different. Will it work, yes. The
OE pad is a better
pad in my opinion and worth the extra money. I know the the suppliers
are the same, but the pad is different.

"jfran" > wrote in message
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On Dec 9, 9:18 pm, "hls" > wrote:
> "jfran" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> >> A lot of dealership parts cost 2-3 times as much as quality
> >> aftermarket,
> >> and are not one bit better, if as good.
>
> > This is completely wrong.
>
> No, it isnt. Your saying that is it has no relation to anything.
> I am speaking broadly, but I have bought aftermarket parts for GM which
> bear the SAME number as the GM parts, at .25-.33 the cost.
>
> So be a bit more specific.
>
> WTF do you think most manufacturers buy their parts...they dont make them,
> generally.
> They specify and buy from suppliers which are, coincidentally,in the
> aftermarket.
>
> There may be exceptions, but there is a lot of money wasted on dealership
> parts which
> is money ****ed away.

as for GM, the brown box OE pads are not the same as the delco
durastop. The compound is completely different. Will it work, yes. The
OE pad is a better
pad in my opinion and worth the extra money. I know the the suppliers
are the same, but the pad is different.

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There are many pad compositions to choose from, from various aftermarket
suppliers. You can find materials, IMO, which are as good as or better than
OEM
in the after market. You wont do it at certain FLAPS, but you CAN find them
and
they will normally be much cheaper than at the dealership.

On Dec 9, 2:35*pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." > wrote:
> I'm helping a friend replace worn brake pads on an '02 Audi A6 wagon.
>
> The dealer wants $275 for a rear wheel kit.

These guys want less than $80

http://catalog.worldpac.com/ibusines...&clientid=eger
manparts.com&cookieid=2TA1E6B5X2TA1E6B5W&baseurl=h ttp://
egermanparts.com/

I dont know them, but if a 1 minute google search pulls this it proves
you have choices..
HTH
Ben

"hls" > wrote in
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>
> "Tegger" > wrote in message
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>> Don't count Honda or Toyota in your list. OEM from either is WAY better
>> than anything the aftermarket supplies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Prove it, Tegger ;>)




Prove otherwise, hls. <insert return smiley here>

Unfortunately, neither of us can prove anything one way or another on a
Usenet forum.

Much of my Toyota and Honda car-owning life I used aftermarket pads. After
suffering numerous constant problems such as rust, vibration, soft pedal
feel, blued rotors, pad friction material that didn't quite match rotor
friction surface, and pads so thick the anti-squeal shims could not be
used, I tried OEM and have not gone back to aftermarket since. That was
about 12-14 years ago.



--
Tegger

"Tegger" > wrote in message
> Unfortunately, neither of us can prove anything one way or another on a
> Usenet forum.

And that was my point.

"Tegger" > wrote in message
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> "hls" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "Tegger" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> Don't count Honda or Toyota in your list. OEM from either is WAY better
> >> than anything the aftermarket supplies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Prove it, Tegger ;>)
>
>
>
>
> Prove otherwise, hls. <insert return smiley here>
>
> Unfortunately, neither of us can prove anything one way or another on a
> Usenet forum.

Pure and simple sophistry.

> Much of my Toyota and Honda car-owning life I used aftermarket pads. After
> suffering numerous constant problems such as rust, vibration, soft pedal
> feel, blued rotors, pad friction material that didn't quite match rotor
> friction surface, and pads so thick the anti-squeal shims could not be
> used, I tried OEM and have not gone back to aftermarket since. That was
> about 12-14 years ago.

I see. So your dated, generalized, limited experience
constitutes and justifies an all sweeping statement that
"OEM ... is WAY better than ANYTHING (my caps
for emphasis) the aftermarket supplies" I again direct
you to my above characterization.

Heron McKeister wrote:
>
> "Tegger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "hls" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > >
> > > "Tegger" > wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> Don't count Honda or Toyota in your list. OEM from either is WAY better
> > >> than anything the aftermarket supplies.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Prove it, Tegger ;>)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Prove otherwise, hls. <insert return smiley here>
> >
> > Unfortunately, neither of us can prove anything one way or another on a
> > Usenet forum.
>
> Pure and simple sophistry.
>
> > Much of my Toyota and Honda car-owning life I used aftermarket pads. After
> > suffering numerous constant problems such as rust, vibration, soft pedal
> > feel, blued rotors, pad friction material that didn't quite match rotor
> > friction surface, and pads so thick the anti-squeal shims could not be
> > used, I tried OEM and have not gone back to aftermarket since. That was
> > about 12-14 years ago.
>
> I see. So your dated, generalized, limited experience
> constitutes and justifies an all sweeping statement that
> "OEM ... is WAY better than ANYTHING (my caps
> for emphasis) the aftermarket supplies" I again direct
> you to my above characterization.

I would have to agree. I have seen examples where the original factory
brakes lasted half as long as the after market products that replaced
them. And of course there are after market products that can last half
as long as the OEM. Sweeping generalizations about one or the other
category are not likely to be correct. The thing about brake pads is
that about 25 years ago asbestos was eliminated from them. Prior to that
there was very little debate about who made the best pads.

-jim

"jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net> wrote in message
>
> I would have to agree. I have seen examples where the original factory
> brakes lasted half as long as the after market products that replaced
> them. And of course there are after market products that can last half
> as long as the OEM. Sweeping generalizations about one or the other
> category are not likely to be correct. The thing about brake pads is
> that about 25 years ago asbestos was eliminated from them. Prior to that
> there was very little debate about who made the best pads.
>
> -jim

One of the issues is who really "makes" the pads. I am sure there are
good manufacturers and less good ones, and I suspect that the auto
manufacturers sub their needs out to these people.

If you could be sure that the aftermarket pad you are buying is exactly
the same as or somewhat better than the OEM (letting oranges roughly
be equal to oranges), then I believe you will find the dealership prices
are substantially higher than the aftermarket suppliers. Maybe 3-4 times
higher, at times.

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:35:09 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
> wrote:

>I'm helping a friend replace worn brake pads on an '02 Audi A6 wagon.
>
>The dealer wants $275 for a rear wheel kit. That's pretty pricey (I
>think my factory Porsche pads are cheaper). Who makes (and who sells)
>aftermarket parts of reasonable quality?
>
>Some cars are pretty finiky about brake pads, some aren't (with respect
>to wear, squealing, etc.). I'm not certain where Audi stands.

What's in the "rear wheel kit"? Just Pads? or also discs? That
makes a big difference! $275 for pads only is way too much...sounds
like they quoted you retail...The "go away and don't bother me" price.

What engine/model A6? FWD or Quattro?...it may make a difference too.

Anyway...Check out www.ecstuning.com

They carry OEM parts as well as quality aftermarket parts...some of
which are the OEM suppliers for VW/Audi.

Looks like under $150 for decent pads AND discs shipped...

If you aren't sure what pads you want, call 'em for advice.
Not affiliated, just a very satisfied customer.

--Don


Don Byrer KJ5KB
Power & Glider Pilot Guy
kj5kb-at-hotmail.com

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth; now if I can just land without bending the gear..."
"Watch out for those doves...<smack-smack-smack-smack...>"

"hls" > wrote in
:


>
> If you could be sure that the aftermarket pad you are buying is exactly
> the same as or somewhat better than the OEM (letting oranges roughly
> be equal to oranges), then I believe you will find the dealership prices
> are substantially higher than the aftermarket suppliers.



I agree. But the problem is finding aftermarket that is, in fact, exactly
like OEM. There's so much out there, and so much that isn't much good.

Personally, regarding Honda and Toyota only (as I originally limited my
reply), I have not seen any aftermarket brake pads that equalled OEM for
all-round performance.



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Tegger