limited slip rear

I agree with the "entertainment value"... however.... what I get out
of such shows is ideas for what I think I'd like to have on mine....
like the limited slip... Mine came without it and that single patch
laid down behind me is silly looking. Or, the upgraded stereo demo,
which provided some ideas on ways not to cut up the dash, etc.
Another show on how to make patterns to build your own console (among
other possibilities). I've learned things about wiring, and improved
lighting. Doesn't mean I can do it all, or will want to. It's just
some things to think about. And, some things reach a point where I
know I am out of my league (like welding) until I learn how. Those
things get turned over to a shop.

My first car, at 16, cost $75, and caught fire getting it home. The
previous owner had done some wonderful things with that Morris Minor.
Drove it on the beach and then painted it... with a paint brush. You
could pull brush hairs out or pop a bubble and sand rolled out. The
radio was out of a 52 Dodge and filled about half of the dash. Wiring
was done with the old bare wire/glass insulator TV antenna wire (which
is why it caught fire). The exhaust pipe was a piece of plumbing pipe
with one end (3/4 the original exhaust size) shoved into the back side
of the muffler and wired in place with a clothes hangar. I didn't
think my dad would ever stop laughing. We later learned that the
engine had been taken in to a shop in boxes because the previous owner
got it apart and could not get it back together. I learned a lot from
that car.

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:11:30 GMT, "Jim War man"
> wrote:

>Setting up a differential can be one of the most frustrating things you
>could ever plan on doing. One undocumented change will have you lost in
>pattern lala land... doing things absolutely right can leave you with a
>noise. I still haven't figured out how DIers achieve the correct sidebearing
>preload and backlash. For those in doubt, look around at those still trying
>to recover from what the previous owner has done....
>
>TV shows are only there for entertainment value.... there's not much
>entertainment in auto repair...
>
>
>"Spike" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Easy thar, hoss.... I described what I saw of the show, and I believe
>> I made it plain that I didn't see the whole thing... I was just taking
>> a coffee break.
>>
>> I've learned the hard way... trial and error... as my garage floor
>> will attest. Thank heaven for kitty litter.
>>
>> The parts catalogs do the same thing as those shows... "with kit X you
>> can do this in a couple of hours.." I wish. But the sponsors get
>> satisfied, the parts get sold....
>>
>> But, as far as this particular job goes... it "appeared" easier than
>> some things I have personally done.. like rebuild an engine, or a
>> carb. Heck, the first time I did a new water pump install wasn't a
>> piece of cake. And the brake job I did on an MG Midget was a
>> nightmare, solved by a shop in 10 minutes. But then they knew there
>> was a slave cylinder inside the tranny tunnel.
>>
>> I'm not deluded about any of it. I always figure it's going to take a
>> lot more than they want me to believe. And when it doesn't... either I
>> am relieved, or worried... but without those extra parts it runs
>> better... LOL
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:58:29 GMT, "Jim Warman"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>The two guys on the show are getting paid to put on a show. You never ever
>>>see them have any sidesteps in a repair or modification. Take a deep
>>>breath
>>>and smell the coffee..... auto repairs go sideways - quickly and
>>>silently -
>>>especially when (in a pros case, anyway) the repair needs to be right the
>>>first time around.
>>>
>>>What these shows seldom indicate is the need for a certain amount of
>>>experience and expertise..... but who am I to say. Knock yerself out....
>>>if
>>>you watch them shows with the spotless tile floors they might even start
>>>saying you can do it all with Fischer-Price tools.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Spike" > wrote in message
...
>>>> As I said, I was just kickin' back with a cup o' coffee and caught
>>>> this upgrade in progress. I'm sure the instructions include additional
>>>> information. Still, the discussion by the two guys on the show
>>>> indicated a rather easy upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2004 18:56:04 -0800, (Chip Stein)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> > There is also a drop in unit available. Check the Mustangsplus
>>>>>> > www.mustangsplus.com or Summit www.summitracing.com websites.... Not
>>>>>> > sure about all the steps involved, but there was a car show on Speed
>>>>>> > Channel while I was kicking back with a cup of coffee and that's
>>>>>> > what
>>>>>> > they installed in a classic Mustang. What I saw and what they said
>>>>>> > made it seem a pretty simple one man job. Slide axles out a bit,
>>>>>> > drop
>>>>>> > out the gears, etc, pop in the new unit, slide axles back in put the
>>>>>> > cover back on refill the case. then go lay down twin patches of
>>>>>> > rubber.... The unit runs in the neighborhood, as I recall, about
>>>>>> > $685.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you can't just stick it in there and go. the backlash and pinion
>>>>>depth have to be set. unless you like noisy rears you have to buy
>>>>>gears for every year.
>>>>> Chip
>>>>
>>>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>>>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>>>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>>>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>>>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
>>>
>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
>

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

Morris minor's are hard to kill, When I was a wee lad our family drove from
Tehran to Kabul, in one. One hell of an off road jaunt. late 50's if i
recall correctly. I remember my dad crawling under the car and plugging a
whole in the oil pan with gum.

Dave
"Spike" > wrote in message
...
>I agree with the "entertainment value"... however.... what I get out
> of such shows is ideas for what I think I'd like to have on mine....
> like the limited slip... Mine came without it and that single patch
> laid down behind me is silly looking. Or, the upgraded stereo demo,
> which provided some ideas on ways not to cut up the dash, etc.
> Another show on how to make patterns to build your own console (among
> other possibilities). I've learned things about wiring, and improved
> lighting. Doesn't mean I can do it all, or will want to. It's just
> some things to think about. And, some things reach a point where I
> know I am out of my league (like welding) until I learn how. Those
> things get turned over to a shop.
>
> My first car, at 16, cost $75, and caught fire getting it home. The
> previous owner had done some wonderful things with that Morris Minor.
> Drove it on the beach and then painted it... with a paint brush. You
> could pull brush hairs out or pop a bubble and sand rolled out. The
> radio was out of a 52 Dodge and filled about half of the dash. Wiring
> was done with the old bare wire/glass insulator TV antenna wire (which
> is why it caught fire). The exhaust pipe was a piece of plumbing pipe
> with one end (3/4 the original exhaust size) shoved into the back side
> of the muffler and wired in place with a clothes hangar. I didn't
> think my dad would ever stop laughing. We later learned that the
> engine had been taken in to a shop in boxes because the previous owner
> got it apart and could not get it back together. I learned a lot from
> that car.
>
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 06:11:30 GMT, "Jim War man"
> > wrote:
>
>>Setting up a differential can be one of the most frustrating things you
>>could ever plan on doing. One undocumented change will have you lost in
>>pattern lala land... doing things absolutely right can leave you with a
>>noise. I still haven't figured out how DIers achieve the correct
>>sidebearing
>>preload and backlash. For those in doubt, look around at those still
>>trying
>>to recover from what the previous owner has done....
>>
>>TV shows are only there for entertainment value.... there's not much
>>entertainment in auto repair...
>>
>>
>>"Spike" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> Easy thar, hoss.... I described what I saw of the show, and I believe
>>> I made it plain that I didn't see the whole thing... I was just taking
>>> a coffee break.
>>>
>>> I've learned the hard way... trial and error... as my garage floor
>>> will attest. Thank heaven for kitty litter.
>>>
>>> The parts catalogs do the same thing as those shows... "with kit X you
>>> can do this in a couple of hours.." I wish. But the sponsors get
>>> satisfied, the parts get sold....
>>>
>>> But, as far as this particular job goes... it "appeared" easier than
>>> some things I have personally done.. like rebuild an engine, or a
>>> carb. Heck, the first time I did a new water pump install wasn't a
>>> piece of cake. And the brake job I did on an MG Midget was a
>>> nightmare, solved by a shop in 10 minutes. But then they knew there
>>> was a slave cylinder inside the tranny tunnel.
>>>
>>> I'm not deluded about any of it. I always figure it's going to take a
>>> lot more than they want me to believe. And when it doesn't... either I
>>> am relieved, or worried... but without those extra parts it runs
>>> better... LOL
>>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:58:29 GMT, "Jim Warman"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>The two guys on the show are getting paid to put on a show. You never
>>>>ever
>>>>see them have any sidesteps in a repair or modification. Take a deep
>>>>breath
>>>>and smell the coffee..... auto repairs go sideways - quickly and
>>>>silently -
>>>>especially when (in a pros case, anyway) the repair needs to be right
>>>>the
>>>>first time around.
>>>>
>>>>What these shows seldom indicate is the need for a certain amount of
>>>>experience and expertise..... but who am I to say. Knock yerself out....
>>>>if
>>>>you watch them shows with the spotless tile floors they might even start
>>>>saying you can do it all with Fischer-Price tools.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Spike" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> As I said, I was just kickin' back with a cup o' coffee and caught
>>>>> this upgrade in progress. I'm sure the instructions include additional
>>>>> information. Still, the discussion by the two guys on the show
>>>>> indicated a rather easy upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2004 18:56:04 -0800, (Chip Stein)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > There is also a drop in unit available. Check the Mustangsplus
>>>>>>> > www.mustangsplus.com or Summit www.summitracing.com websites....
>>>>>>> > Not
>>>>>>> > sure about all the steps involved, but there was a car show on
>>>>>>> > Speed
>>>>>>> > Channel while I was kicking back with a cup of coffee and that's
>>>>>>> > what
>>>>>>> > they installed in a classic Mustang. What I saw and what they said
>>>>>>> > made it seem a pretty simple one man job. Slide axles out a bit,
>>>>>>> > drop
>>>>>>> > out the gears, etc, pop in the new unit, slide axles back in put
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > cover back on refill the case. then go lay down twin patches of
>>>>>>> > rubber.... The unit runs in the neighborhood, as I recall, about
>>>>>>> > $685.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can't just stick it in there and go. the backlash and pinion
>>>>>>depth have to be set. unless you like noisy rears you have to buy
>>>>>>gears for every year.
>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>>>>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>>>>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>>>>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>>>>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
>>
>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

Chip Stein wrote:
>>>There is also a drop in unit available. Check the Mustangsplus
>>>www.mustangsplus.com or Summit www.summitracing.com websites.... Not
>>>sure about all the steps involved, but there was a car show on Speed
>>>Channel while I was kicking back with a cup of coffee and that's what
>>>they installed in a classic Mustang. What I saw and what they said
>>>made it seem a pretty simple one man job. Slide axles out a bit, drop
>>>out the gears, etc, pop in the new unit, slide axles back in put the
>>>cover back on refill the case. then go lay down twin patches of
>>>rubber.... The unit runs in the neighborhood, as I recall, about
>>>$685.
>
>
>
> you can't just stick it in there and go. the backlash and pinion
> depth have to be set. unless you like noisy rears you have to buy
> gears for every year.
> Chip

If its a 'pumpkin', like in the ford 9", it is a self-contained unit
with pinion depth and backlash already set. Very different from modern
8.8 rears.

Is the standard 8" rear in the mustangs a 'pumpkin' style?

Chris

First oil change I did on mine was an experience... pulled the plug
and nothing happened. dad said warm it up first. Stuck the plug back
in and fired it up. Let is run for a few minutes, Shut it off. Pulled
the plug again. Nada!. Shined a flashlight into the hole. It was
pitch black. Dad said check the dipstick and make sure there really
was oil in it. Back goes the plug. Dipstick says it's full. Pulled the
plug again. Took a screwdriver and stuck it into the drain hole and
hit a solid wall. With a bit of work I chipped through. The engine was
still pretty warm and the oil began to ooze out like thick honey in
the winter time. But that was the best $75 four on the floor, four
banger I ever owned.



On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:46:49 GMT, "Deputy Dog"
> wrote:

>Morris minor's are hard to kill, When I was a wee lad our family drove from
>Tehran to Kabul, in one. One hell of an off road jaunt. late 50's if i
>recall correctly. I remember my dad crawling under the car and plugging a
>whole in the oil pan with gum.
>
>Dave

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

Chip Stein wrote:

>>>There is also a drop in unit available. Check the Mustangsplus
>>>www.mustangsplus.com or Summit www.summitracing.com websites.... Not
>>>sure about all the steps involved, but there was a car show on Speed
>>>Channel while I was kicking back with a cup of coffee and that's what
>>>they installed in a classic Mustang. What I saw and what they said
>>>made it seem a pretty simple one man job. Slide axles out a bit, drop
>>>out the gears, etc, pop in the new unit, slide axles back in put the
>>>cover back on refill the case. then go lay down twin patches of
>>>rubber.... The unit runs in the neighborhood, as I recall, about
>>>$685.
>
>
>
> you can't just stick it in there and go. the backlash and pinion
> depth have to be set. unless you like noisy rears you have to buy
> gears for every year.
> Chip

Actually, you can. Just like the 9", it's all in one removable
unit. Backlash and pinion depth are set on the bench. Just pull out
the axles, drop out the old center section, and bolt in the new one.

--
..boB
1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged!
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1983 GMC Jimmy - Mountain Beater
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1966 FFR Cobra - Ongoing project

That was the impression I got out of the show... and something about
they even included a part which also acted as a gap gauge to make sure
it went in correctly. I think I saw something similar by Moroso in the
Summit catalog. And it's not swapping out the pumpkin either, right?

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:22:51 -0700, boB >
wrote:

>Chip Stein wrote:
>
>>>>There is also a drop in unit available. Check the Mustangsplus
>>>>www.mustangsplus.com or Summit www.summitracing.com websites.... Not
>>>>sure about all the steps involved, but there was a car show on Speed
>>>>Channel while I was kicking back with a cup of coffee and that's what
>>>>they installed in a classic Mustang. What I saw and what they said
>>>>made it seem a pretty simple one man job. Slide axles out a bit, drop
>>>>out the gears, etc, pop in the new unit, slide axles back in put the
>>>>cover back on refill the case. then go lay down twin patches of
>>>>rubber.... The unit runs in the neighborhood, as I recall, about
>>>>$685.
>>
>>
>>
>> you can't just stick it in there and go. the backlash and pinion
>> depth have to be set. unless you like noisy rears you have to buy
>> gears for every year.
>> Chip
>
> Actually, you can. Just like the 9", it's all in one removable
>unit. Backlash and pinion depth are set on the bench. Just pull out
>the axles, drop out the old center section, and bolt in the new one.

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16