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Engine Overheating Followup
I seemed to have had my wrist slapped for cross-posting this and even
doing it incorrectly. Anyway, thanks for the help with part 1 diagnosis of my 88 toyota pickup and would appreciate help with this next part So it seems there is a leak or at least no antifreeze to see in the rad and little to none in the overflow. The oil is not milky and the antifreeze overflow ( what little there is) does not seem contaminated either. Water pump seems fine (no noise, no visible leak, no movement of pulley), now the question of finding the leak and I have still not ruled out head gasket --can you lose that much antifreeze via exhaust?? I have noticed some white exhaust but it is cold presently and I see many cars with similar white exhaust. For the moment, I am going to top up the existing fluid with a economy antifreeze 50/50 mix with distilled water with the intent of flushing the system once I figure out where the leak is. Of course, there is no pool of fluid under the vehicle which is good and bad. The responses have been very helpful and if anyway would like to offer suggestions for the next step, it would be greatly appreciated. |
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"gp" > wrote in message oups.com... >I seemed to have had my wrist slapped for cross-posting this and even > doing it incorrectly. Anyway, thanks for the help with part 1 diagnosis > of my 88 toyota pickup and would appreciate help with this next part > > So it seems there is a leak or at least no antifreeze to see in the rad > > and little to none in the overflow. The oil is not milky and the > antifreeze overflow ( what little there is) does not seem contaminated > either. Water pump seems fine (no noise, no visible leak, no movement > of pulley), now the question of finding the leak and I have still not > ruled out head gasket --can you lose that much antifreeze via exhaust?? Yes, it is possible to lose that much coolant via the exhaust. > > I have noticed some white exhaust but it is cold presently and I see > many cars with similar white exhaust. If the coolant was coming out the exhast you should it would look more like smoke. > > For the moment, I am going to top up the existing fluid with a economy > antifreeze 50/50 mix with distilled water with the intent of flushing > the system once I figure out where the leak is. Of course, there is no > pool of fluid under the vehicle which is good and bad. Top up the radiator and resevoir and then check for leaks. The easiest way to do this would be with a cooling system pressure tester. They are available at most auto parts stores or any decent garage would have one. Places to check for leaks: water pump gasket and weep hole, all hose connections, heater core, the radiator seams, fins and petcock. Also check the engine block for leaking freeze plugs. Once you fill the system back up the may be obvious. > > > The responses have been very helpful and if anyway would like to offer > suggestions for the next step, it would be greatly appreciated. > |
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Thank you very much, a little precision, I was reading a service manual
last night and it suggested to check under/inside the oil filler cap and see if there was a milky/coffe/cream like build up and there was a bit. It then suggested to change the oil (I will check again if there is any milky stuff as there was none on the dipstick), run it for 50-100 continuous miles and check it again. I checked the antifreeze again by drawing some out by the rad drain plug and all seems in order. Now I am in a bit of denial here, so am hoping that the vehicle being so old (88), there could have been some buildup over the past 20 years as nobody actually looks inside the cap or cleans it. Anyway, the book suggested the I get a Leak down? test done (if still get milky after the oil change and drive) and a pressure test (for leaks). As for the coolant coming out exhaust, if you suggest it should look like smoke. Would it be fair to say, that it would be noticible by others and/or somthing that is very evident? |
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"gp" > wrote in message oups.com... > Thank you very much, a little precision, I was reading a service manual > last night and it suggested to check under/inside the oil filler cap > and see if there was a milky/coffe/cream like build up and there was a > bit. It then suggested to change the oil (I will check again if there > is any milky stuff as there was none on the dipstick), run it for > 50-100 continuous miles and check it again. I checked the antifreeze > again by drawing some out by the rad drain plug and all seems in order. > > Now I am in a bit of denial here, so am hoping that the vehicle being > so old (88), there could have been some buildup over the past 20 years > as nobody actually looks inside the cap or cleans it. > > Anyway, the book suggested the I get a Leak down? test done (if still > get milky after the oil change and drive) and a pressure test (for > leaks). As for the coolant coming out exhaust, if you suggest it should > look like smoke. Would it be fair to say, that it would be noticible by > others and/or somthing that is very evident? > It would be very helpful if you quoted some previous posts so that people responding would know and remember what has been suggested already as well as other pertinent info like year, model, mileage, symptoms, etc. I would not pressure test an 18 year old cooling system because Murphy's law will kick in and cause additional cooling system leaks. I've seen this happen numerous times. Coolant coming out of the exhaust tends to be white steam and will have a sweet smell like coolant. It is normal to see white clouds coming out of the exhaust when you first start the engine until it is thoroughly warmed up and the condensation in the exhaust has burned off. Depending on the ambient temperature, the amount of white clouds you see should diminish but if you still see billowing clouds out the exhaust, then that could mean that coolant is getting into the combustion chambers somehow. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |
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gp > wrote: >Thank you very much, a little precision, I was reading a service manual >last night and it suggested to check under/inside the oil filler cap >and see if there was a milky/coffe/cream like build up and there was a >bit. It then suggested to change the oil (I will check again if there >is any milky stuff as there was none on the dipstick), run it for >50-100 continuous miles and check it again. I checked the antifreeze >again by drawing some out by the rad drain plug and all seems in order. MY PSYCHIC POWERS PREDICT A BAD RADIATOR CAP. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"gp" > wrote in message oups.com... > Thank you very much, a little precision, I was reading a service manual > last night and it suggested to check under/inside the oil filler cap > and see if there was a milky/coffe/cream like build up and there was a > bit. It then suggested to change the oil (I will check again if there > is any milky stuff as there was none on the dipstick), run it for > 50-100 continuous miles and check it again. I checked the antifreeze > again by drawing some out by the rad drain plug and all seems in order. > > Now I am in a bit of denial here, so am hoping that the vehicle being > so old (88), there could have been some buildup over the past 20 years > as nobody actually looks inside the cap or cleans it. It is normal for that engine to have a slight builup on the underside of the oil filler cap when operated in cold weather. As long as it is only a thin film you should be ok. All the 4 cyl toyotas I have seen will do that in cold weather. > > Anyway, the book suggested the I get a Leak down? test done (if still > get milky after the oil change and drive) and a pressure test (for > leaks). As for the coolant coming out exhaust, if you suggest it should > look like smoke. Would it be fair to say, that it would be noticible by > others and/or somthing that is very evident? I would just fill the cooling sytem back up making sure you bleed out all the air and the have it pressure tested for leaks. If all is ok drive it and see if your problem returns, it may just be a sticking thermostat. If the thermostat hasn't been changed in a long time I would do that also. I would also replace the radiator cap as others have also stated. If after all the above and you find no leaks then have a leak down test done. If you have coolant in the exhaust you should be able to smell it. It has a very distinct sweet smell. |
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gp wrote:
> I seemed to have had my wrist slapped for cross-posting this and even > doing it incorrectly. You originally didn't "cross-post", you posted individual messages to many separate groups. That's not the same thing at all. I see you've cross-posted correctly with this message. You've posted to only three groups, and all of them are reasonably related to your problem. Congratulations for learning your lesson. |
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I bought the vehicle about 2 years ago and do like it a lot -the rad
and a lot of the houses seem to be in very good condition. It is a 1988 toyota p/u 2wd, 2.4L, 4cyl, 22re engine with 190,000 km on it (marketed as a one ton). It had one previous owner. I am grasping at any positve news that it is not a head gasket. I have not smelt any sweet smell from the exhaust or excessive --have been smelling rubber, but think that is b/c new exhaust was placed a bit close to undermount spare tire --hope it is not a rubber smell --no billowing clouds out the exhaust. Tonight I will top it up with fresh antifreeze/good water mix, run it with cap off, replace with new cap, and monitor the overflow container. I will hold off on a pressure test for the moment and see how it goes. Not sure when the thermostat was last changed, but that would not explain coolant lose, would it?? Anyway, I do not mind taking it to a shop in the near future, but I like to have some info if and when it comes to that. Also, all this info has been useful so next time, I can catch this earlier as there were signs that this was happening, like longer for heater to heat inside, heat guage going up higher than normal and then falling rapidly to a better baseline but this was in that past 2 weeks, when the heat guage finally went up to red and luckily I stopped and hope there was no damage done. I will also copy and post from last series of dignosis. |
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I bought the vehicle about 2 years ago and do like it a lot -the rad
and a lot of the houses seem to be in very good condition. It is a 1988 toyota p/u 2wd, 2.4L, 4cyl, 22re engine with 190,000 km on it (marketed as a one ton). It had one previous owner. I am grasping at any positve news that it is not a head gasket. I have not smelt any sweet smell from the exhaust or excessive --have been smelling rubber, but think that is b/c new exhaust was placed a bit close to undermount spare tire --hope it is not a rubber smell --no billowing clouds out the exhaust. Tonight I will top it up with fresh antifreeze/good water mix, run it with cap off, replace with new cap, and monitor the overflow container. I will hold off on a pressure test for the moment and see how it goes. Not sure when the thermostat was last changed, but that would not explain coolant lose, would it?? Anyway, I do not mind taking it to a shop in the near future, but I like to have some info if and when it comes to that. Also, all this info has been useful so next time, I can catch this earlier as there were signs that this was happening, like longer for heater to heat inside, heat guage going up higher than normal and then falling rapidly to a better baseline but this was in that past 2 weeks, when the heat guage finally went up to red and luckily I stopped and hope there was no damage done. I will also copy and post from last series of dignosis. |
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Thanks, I see the benefits to it (cross-posting correctly) too for all
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