Haynes manual instructions

This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:

http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html

too true!

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
>
> This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
>
> http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html

too true!

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
>
> This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
>
> http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html

In article ich.edu>,
says...

>This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
>http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html

While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad.
----------------
Alex

"Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
...
> In article ich.edu>,
> says...
>
> >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
> >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html
>
> While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad.
> ----------------
> Alex

Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete
information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for
the factory service manual.

In article >, Bill 2 wrote:
>
> "Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article ich.edu>,
>> says...
>>
>> >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
>> >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html
>>
>> While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad.
>> ----------------
>> Alex
>
> Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete
> information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for
> the factory service manual.

I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons...

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:58:38 GMT, (Brent P)
wrote:

||In article >, Bill 2 wrote:
||>
||> "Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
||> ...
||>> In article ich.edu>,
||>> says...
||>>
||>> >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
||>> >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html
||>>
||>> While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad.
||>> ----------------
||>> Alex
||>
||> Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete
||> information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for
||> the factory service manual.
||
||I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons...

You may get your wish. Many of the manufacturers no longer offer a manual to the
owner. If they do, it may be a CD for $100 or more

Haynes fills a need for reasonably-priced repair information specific to your
car. It is correct far more than it is wrong. I have a number of Haynes
manuals and have yet to find a procedure incorrectly documented. It is true
that sometimes there is not enough info to answer the questions that come up,
but for the money I'll accept that.

I obtain a Haynes manual for every vehicle I acquire. If I can also get a FSM, I
will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges.
Texas Parts Guy

wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:58:38 GMT, (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
> ||In article >, Bill 2 wrote:
> ||>
> ||> "Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
> ||> ...
> ||>> In article ich.edu>,
> ||>> says...
> ||>>
> ||>> >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
> ||>> >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html
> ||>>
> ||>> While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad.
> ||>> ----------------
> ||>> Alex
> ||>
> ||> Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete
> ||> information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for
> ||> the factory service manual.
> ||
> ||I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons...
>
> You may get your wish. Many of the manufacturers no longer offer a manual to the
> owner. If they do, it may be a CD for $100 or more
>
> Haynes fills a need for reasonably-priced repair information specific to your
> car. It is correct far more than it is wrong. I have a number of Haynes
> manuals and have yet to find a procedure incorrectly documented. It is true
> that sometimes there is not enough info to answer the questions that come up,
> but for the money I'll accept that.
>
> I obtain a Haynes manual for every vehicle I acquire. If I can also get a FSM, I
> will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges.
> Texas Parts Guy

Except, after I had learned my lesson years earlier on aftermarket
manuals, a few months after I bought my daughter a used car, the very
first opportunity that came up for diagnosis and repair of an electrical
problem, in a weak moment, I went down the street and sprung for a whole
$13 for a Haynes manual. Due to a visibly hidden fuse that was not
shown in the "TYPICAL" schematics of the Haynes, I ended up replacing a
perfectly good factory alternator when all that was wrong was that the
in-line fuse that the manual did not show had mechanically fractured.
Aftermarket alt. cost $260, plus I now had an inferior aftermarket alt.
in place of the factory one. FSM would have cost around $90. Tell me:
Did I save any money? You do the math (13 + 260 vs. 90 + 5).

BTW, I found out after the fact that, without exception, every vehicle
of the span of years and model variation covered by that Haynes manual
came from the factory with that fuse, and, after purchasing the FSM the
next day, verified that that fuse was clearly shown in the schematics,
yet the Haynes schematic was labeled "TYPICAL".

Bill Putney
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adddress with the letter 'x')


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wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:58:38 GMT, (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
> ||In article >, Bill 2 wrote:
> ||>
> ||> "Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
> ||> ...
> ||>> In article ich.edu>,
> ||>> says...
> ||>>
> ||>> >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
> ||>> >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html
> ||>>
> ||>> While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad.
> ||>> ----------------
> ||>> Alex
> ||>
> ||> Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete
> ||> information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for
> ||> the factory service manual.
> ||
> ||I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons...
>
> You may get your wish. Many of the manufacturers no longer offer a manual to the
> owner. If they do, it may be a CD for $100 or more
>
> Haynes fills a need for reasonably-priced repair information specific to your
> car. It is correct far more than it is wrong. I have a number of Haynes
> manuals and have yet to find a procedure incorrectly documented. It is true
> that sometimes there is not enough info to answer the questions that come up,
> but for the money I'll accept that.
>
> I obtain a Haynes manual for every vehicle I acquire. If I can also get a FSM, I
> will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges.
> Texas Parts Guy

Except, after I had learned my lesson years earlier on aftermarket
manuals, a few months after I bought my daughter a used car, the very
first opportunity that came up for diagnosis and repair of an electrical
problem, in a weak moment, I went down the street and sprung for a whole
$13 for a Haynes manual. Due to a visibly hidden fuse that was not
shown in the "TYPICAL" schematics of the Haynes, I ended up replacing a
perfectly good factory alternator when all that was wrong was that the
in-line fuse that the manual did not show had mechanically fractured.
Aftermarket alt. cost $260, plus I now had an inferior aftermarket alt.
in place of the factory one. FSM would have cost around $90. Tell me:
Did I save any money? You do the math (13 + 260 vs. 90 + 5).

BTW, I found out after the fact that, without exception, every vehicle
of the span of years and model variation covered by that Haynes manual
came from the factory with that fuse, and, after purchasing the FSM the
next day, verified that that fuse was clearly shown in the schematics,
yet the Haynes schematic was labeled "TYPICAL".

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')


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I agree 100% with Texas Parts Guy. Last year I did a Timingbelt,
Waterpump, AFT replacement project around this time using Haynes. I
also had a Chiltons. I found the illustrations are more clear in
Haynes. Chiltons has more descriptions. Also I was posting and getting
help from this news group. I will be buying a Hayens if I change my
car. It may not be the most detailed manual like the Shop Manuals, but
it helped me to save over $600 for a small investment of $12
(including shipping in eBay).

> ||I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons...
>
> You may get your wish. Many of the manufacturers no longer offer a manual to the
> owner. If they do, it may be a CD for $100 or more
>
> Haynes fills a need for reasonably-priced repair information specific to your
> car. It is correct far more than it is wrong. I have a number of Haynes
> manuals and have yet to find a procedure incorrectly documented. It is true
> that sometimes there is not enough info to answer the questions that come up,
> but for the money I'll accept that.
>
> I obtain a Haynes manual for every vehicle I acquire. If I can also get a FSM, I
> will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges.
> Texas Parts Guy