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Michael wrote:
> Perhaps I should've been more clear. If you're just nervous - no big > deal. Nervous combined with some other factors - big deal. Ok. What would those factors be then? |
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Arif Khokar wrote:
> Michael wrote: > >> Perhaps I should've been more clear. If you're just nervous - no big >> deal. Nervous combined with some other factors - big deal. > > > Ok. What would those factors be then? You see a checkpoitn, you make a u right before the checkpoint. You may match someone's description. Cop signals you to pull over and you don't for a while. |
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Michael wrote:
> Arif Khokar wrote: >>> Perhaps I should've been more clear. If you're just nervous - no big >>> deal. Nervous combined with some other factors - big deal. >> Ok. What would those factors be then? > You see a checkpoitn, you make a u right before the checkpoint. Not applicable in the case that led to this thread. > You may match someone's description. Not mentioned in the case that led to this thread. > Cop signals you to pull over and you don't for a while. I don't know for certain, but I don't think that was the case for the person pulled over for driving 6 mph over the posted limit. |
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In article >, Michael wrote:
> Perhaps I should've been more clear. If you're just nervous - no big > deal. Nervous combined with some other factors - big deal. Like driving slower than everybody else, closer to the speed limit than anyone nearby, like 6mph over in IL. |
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In article >, Michael wrote:
> Brent P wrote: >> In article >, Jim Yanik wrote: >> >> >>>>Difference between a home and a vehicle is that one is immobile and >>>>the other is highly mobile. >>>>I suggest reading a good textbook on constitutional law, one by >>>>Klotter comes to mind. >> >> >>>"The right of the people to be secure in their persons,houses,papers,AND >>>EFFECTS,against unreasonable searches and seizures,Shall not be >>>violated,..." >>> >>>One's "effects" could be construed to include the vehicle they travel in. >> >> >> I wonder if a citizen were to stop driving and start using a horse and >> buggy if he would be subject to these searches. After all, using a horse >> and buggy isn't a 'privledge', driving is. Horses and buggies were used >> in 1789, so they existed when the constitution was written, avoiding this >> silly construct of 'privledge' where you have to give up your rights. >> From my understanding, the framers wouldn't have allowed warrantless >> random or 'gut feel' searches of citizens traveling from a to b by horse >> drawn vehicles in 1789. >> >> I also wonder if IL's vehicle code of allowing officers to stop >> bicyclists without cause (called a safety inspection) would stand >> up to a constitutional challenge. Once again, the bicycle existed prior >> to this silly construct of 'privledge' that means giving up our rights >> to do something. >> >> >> > Re IL's code. I think it would stand up to the challege since regulatory > inspections are perfectly legal and always have been legal. Just like > the Coast Guard boarding someone. What starts out as a mere regulatory > inspection(i.e. no warrant needed) could very well turn into a criminal > stop. Always an end run around the bill of rights. Might as well just burn it in that case. Our rights mean nothing if the state can use mere semantics and achieve the goal of being able to detain, question, and search anyone at any time. |
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In article >, Michael wrote:
>> No, that still leaves you open to the demand for a search from any >> policeman who feels like demanding one. > Yeah, they can demand, just like you can tell them to go screw themselves. You mean like the guy who was -on foot- and the officer demanded ID without so much as saying why? The case went to the supreme court, the citizen lost. The mechanisms for tyranny are almost entirely in place. All it will take is someone to use them in mass. |
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Michael > wrote in
: > Jim Yanik wrote: >> Michael > wrote in >> : >> >> >>>Brent P wrote: >>> >>>>In article >, jaybird wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Probable cause has greater requirements and is the standard for >>>>>arrest. Neither it, nor reasonable suspicion is required to have a >>>>>K9 sniff a vehicle because we have no expectation of privacy for >>>>>the air coming from our vehicle to the outside. >>>> >>>> >>>>Or anything else that dogs or technology can detect from the outside >>>>of our homes or vehicles by that logic. Such as the heat signature >>>>coming through the walls of our homes. >>>> >>>>It's all the same thing. The boundries of home and vehicle are >>>>merely arbitary and easily breached. (and often have in the war on >>>>the bill of rights er drugs) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Difference between a home and a vehicle is that one is immobile and >>>the other is highly mobile. >>>I suggest reading a good textbook on constitutional law, one by >>>Klotter comes to mind. >>> >> >> >> "The right of the people to be secure in their >> persons,houses,papers,AND EFFECTS,against unreasonable searches and >> seizures,Shall not be violated,..." >> >> One's "effects" could be construed to include the vehicle they travel >> in. >> > Exactly. Could be "construed", nothing says that a vehicle is an > effect. > Sure it is. "effects" are one's possessions.Just as they cannot search your backpack without PC or a warrant,your car is the same. The intent of the Founders is very clear on the 4th. This USSC ruling does not comply with the 4th. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Alex Rodriguez > wrote in
: > In article >, > says... > >>Trust me, most (and notice, I say most, not all) cops can distinguish >>between normal human anxiety and when a person has really done >>something wrong. > > Is that like women's intuition? Just like everyone else, they are all > prejudiced in one way or another and make many mistakes. > ------------------ > Alex > And people bitch about profiling... -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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