Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q

What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP), that
would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty Requirements,
whereas Mobile 1 does?

Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), & API SJ &
Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that? And is
M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?

SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both weights
available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.

Please no fireballs...

....this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of synthetic
motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor oils.

Thanks very much.

Campbell Freeman
South Carolina

Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
Engineers.
Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
snake oils.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
> ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP), that
> would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty Requirements,
> whereas Mobile 1 does?
>
> Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), & API SJ &
> Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that? And is
> M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
>
> SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both weights
> available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
>
> Please no fireballs...
>
> ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of synthetic
> motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor oils.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Campbell Freeman
> South Carolina

Old school Bill, most of the top end autos do not require oil changes until
10k. The extended version of Mobile 1 is not new they have been using it
for several years. Both versions meet the manufacturers warranty for oil
use the difference is in the frequency of RECOMMENDED changes. The
recommended change interval is only that and use of extended life will not
violate any vehicle warranty in the US by Federal Law. I have a pick-up
truck with 150,000 miles on it and I have been changing the oil every 7500
or 6 months which ever comes first. The biggest thing was finding an oil
filter that lasted 7500 and I just changed it out twice. Now there are
several brands on the market that last 7500 miles. Harley Davidson in the
past couple of years got on the synthetic oil band wagon with their
screaming chicken synIII after years of saying synthetic oil was snake oil,
now all their bikes recommend oil and filter changes at 5,000 miles. The
times they are a change in, don't get in a rut keep an open mind.

--
Coasty
Semper Paratus
(Always Ready)

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
| Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
| Engineers.
| Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
| snake oils.
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| http://www.billhughes.com/
|
| Campbell C Freeman wrote:
| >
| > What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
| > ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP), that
| > would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty Requirements,
| > whereas Mobile 1 does?
| >
| > Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), & API
SJ &
| > Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that? And
is
| > M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
| >
| > SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both
weights
| > available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
| >
| > Please no fireballs...
| >
| > ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of
synthetic
| > motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor oils.
| >
| > Thanks very much.
| >
| > Campbell Freeman
| > South Carolina

Thanks,

I intended to mention that one would (by default), have to abide by the
manufacturer's specifications and requirements for recommended oil & filter
change intervals, NOT on what the bottle of oil says.

All that being equal: Frequency of change intervals, similar driving
circumstances & conditions, AND abiding by the DC Jeep Warranty
requirements...then what is it?


....
And it's MOBIL 1 NOT MobilE 1.

Pardons please.


"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
> Engineers.
> Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
> snake oils.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>>
>> What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
>> ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP), that
>> would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty Requirements,
>> whereas Mobile 1 does?
>>
>> Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), & API
>> SJ &
>> Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that? And
>> is
>> M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
>>
>> SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both
>> weights
>> available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
>>
>> Please no fireballs...
>>
>> ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of
>> synthetic
>> motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor oils.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Campbell Freeman
>> South Carolina

I was told by the folks at Exxon Mobil that EP did not satisfy all of DC's
Jeep Warranty Requirements and for that reason they said one should not use
it while the vehicle is under warranty. Even following the Jeep recommended
change intervals. Same as for Mobil 1.

Mobil 1 yes ...Mobil 1 EP no.

What is it?


"Coasty" > wrote in message
...
> Old school Bill, most of the top end autos do not require oil changes
> until
> 10k. The extended version of Mobile 1 is not new they have been using it
> for several years. Both versions meet the manufacturers warranty for oil
> use the difference is in the frequency of RECOMMENDED changes. The
> recommended change interval is only that and use of extended life will not
> violate any vehicle warranty in the US by Federal Law. I have a pick-up
> truck with 150,000 miles on it and I have been changing the oil every 7500
> or 6 months which ever comes first. The biggest thing was finding an oil
> filter that lasted 7500 and I just changed it out twice. Now there are
> several brands on the market that last 7500 miles. Harley Davidson in the
> past couple of years got on the synthetic oil band wagon with their
> screaming chicken synIII after years of saying synthetic oil was snake
> oil,
> now all their bikes recommend oil and filter changes at 5,000 miles. The
> times they are a change in, don't get in a rut keep an open mind.
>
> --
> Coasty
> Semper Paratus
> (Always Ready)
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
> | Engineers.
> | Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
> | snake oils.
> | God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> | http://www.billhughes.com/
> |
> | Campbell C Freeman wrote:
> | >
> | > What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
> | > ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP),
> that
> | > would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty
> Requirements,
> | > whereas Mobile 1 does?
> | >
> | > Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), &
> API
> SJ &
> | > Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that?
> And
> is
> | > M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
> | >
> | > SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both
> weights
> | > available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
> | >
> | > Please no fireballs...
> | >
> | > ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of
> synthetic
> | > motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor
> oils.
> | >
> | > Thanks very much.
> | >
> | > Campbell Freeman
> | > South Carolina
>
>

It is what the bottle says and DC cannot dispute that under Federal Law. I
have only changed my oil in my 04 TJ twice. Besides Mobile 1 stands behind
their products and realistically how would DC know how often you change your
oil unless you tell them? They cannot tell by looking at it and if it looks
a little dirty you just say that it is time for an oil change.
--
Coasty
Semper Paratus
(Always Ready)

"Campbell C Freeman" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
| Thanks,
|
| I intended to mention that one would (by default), have to abide by the
| manufacturer's specifications and requirements for recommended oil &
filter
| change intervals, NOT on what the bottle of oil says.
|
| All that being equal: Frequency of change intervals, similar driving
| circumstances & conditions, AND abiding by the DC Jeep Warranty
| requirements...then what is it?
|
|
| ...
| And it's MOBIL 1 NOT MobilE 1.
|
| Pardons please.
|
|
| "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
| > Engineers.
| > Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
| > snake oils.
| > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| > http://www.billhughes.com/
| >
| > Campbell C Freeman wrote:
| >>
| >> What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
| >> ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP), that
| >> would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty
Requirements,
| >> whereas Mobile 1 does?
| >>
| >> Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), & API
| >> SJ &
| >> Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that?
And
| >> is
| >> M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
| >>
| >> SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both
| >> weights
| >> available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
| >>
| >> Please no fireballs...
| >>
| >> ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of
| >> synthetic
| >> motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor
oils.
| >>
| >> Thanks very much.
| >>
| >> Campbell Freeman
| >> South Carolina
|
|

Try here

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/.../Homepage.aspx

--
Coasty
Semper Paratus
(Always Ready)

"Campbell C Freeman" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
| Thanks,
|
| I intended to mention that one would (by default), have to abide by the
| manufacturer's specifications and requirements for recommended oil &
filter
| change intervals, NOT on what the bottle of oil says.
|
| All that being equal: Frequency of change intervals, similar driving
| circumstances & conditions, AND abiding by the DC Jeep Warranty
| requirements...then what is it?
|
|
| ...
| And it's MOBIL 1 NOT MobilE 1.
|
| Pardons please.
|
|
| "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
| > Engineers.
| > Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
| > snake oils.
| > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| > http://www.billhughes.com/
| >
| > Campbell C Freeman wrote:
| >>
| >> What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile 1
| >> ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP), that
| >> would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty
Requirements,
| >> whereas Mobile 1 does?
| >>
| >> Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), & API
| >> SJ &
| >> Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that?
And
| >> is
| >> M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
| >>
| >> SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both
| >> weights
| >> available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
| >>
| >> Please no fireballs...
| >>
| >> ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of
| >> synthetic
| >> motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor
oils.
| >>
| >> Thanks very much.
| >>
| >> Campbell Freeman
| >> South Carolina
|
|

I don't know anyone whom thinks synthetic oil is snake oil, we all
know it comes from the same refinery, with just a couple more
refinements to the base oils. I'd probably use if it wasn't so expensive
to drain every three thousand miles, and that's the only to keeps the pH
down. The reason my heads have never been off of my Bronco at over three
hundred and fifty thousand miles: http://www.billhughes.com/smog.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O


Coasty wrote:
>
> Old school Bill, most of the top end autos do not require oil changes until
> 10k. The extended version of Mobile 1 is not new they have been using it
> for several years. Both versions meet the manufacturers warranty for oil
> use the difference is in the frequency of RECOMMENDED changes. The
> recommended change interval is only that and use of extended life will not
> violate any vehicle warranty in the US by Federal Law. I have a pick-up
> truck with 150,000 miles on it and I have been changing the oil every 7500
> or 6 months which ever comes first. The biggest thing was finding an oil
> filter that lasted 7500 and I just changed it out twice. Now there are
> several brands on the market that last 7500 miles. Harley Davidson in the
> past couple of years got on the synthetic oil band wagon with their
> screaming chicken synIII after years of saying synthetic oil was snake oil,
> now all their bikes recommend oil and filter changes at 5,000 miles. The
> times they are a change in, don't get in a rut keep an open mind.
>
> --
> Coasty
> Semper Paratus
> (Always Ready)

And of course, not changing oil until ten thousands miles on a TJ
under warranty would be silly:
http://www.billhughes.com/lubeschedule.pdf

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>
> I don't know anyone whom thinks synthetic oil is snake oil, we all
> know it comes from the same refinery, with just a couple more
> refinements to the base oils. I'd probably use if it wasn't so expensive
> to drain every three thousand miles, and that's the only to keeps the pH
> down. The reason my heads have never been off of my Bronco at over three
> hundred and fifty thousand miles: http://www.billhughes.com/smog.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>

Thanks,

Yes, I have read all of the text on the Mobil Oil web-site. No problem with
that. Or DC really...

I guess it's up to the manufacturer to say yea or nay. But how do they know
what you use? I believe the burden of proof is on you. I guess it's a
matter if semantics (Merriam Webster On-Line Dictionary: semantics;
se-man-tics; 1, 2, 3b).

???



"Coasty" > wrote in message
...
> Try here
>
> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/.../Homepage.aspx
>
> --
> Coasty
> Semper Paratus
> (Always Ready)
>
> "Campbell C Freeman" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
> | Thanks,
> |
> | I intended to mention that one would (by default), have to abide by the
> | manufacturer's specifications and requirements for recommended oil &
> filter
> | change intervals, NOT on what the bottle of oil says.
> |
> | All that being equal: Frequency of change intervals, similar driving
> | circumstances & conditions, AND abiding by the DC Jeep Warranty
> | requirements...then what is it?
> |
> |
> | ...
> | And it's MOBIL 1 NOT MobilE 1.
> |
> | Pardons please.
> |
> |
> | "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > Probably need to grease a few palms at Society of Automotive
> | > Engineers.
> | > Two buzz words "Extended Performance" usually used to describe
> | > snake oils.
> | > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> | > http://www.billhughes.com/
> | >
> | > Campbell C Freeman wrote:
> | >>
> | >> What would be the difference (chemically, physically) between Mobile
> 1
> | >> ("Classic - SuperSyn"), versus Mobile 1 Extended Performance (EP),
> that
> | >> would cause M1 EP not to satisfy D/C Jeep New Car Warranty
> Requirements,
> | >> whereas Mobile 1 does?
> | >>
> | >> Is it: Mobile 1 SuperSyn meets ILSAC: GF-3 (energy conserving), &
> API
> | >> SJ &
> | >> Mobile 1 Extended Performance does not? Or is it deeper than that?
> And
> | >> is
> | >> M1 EP hazardous to a new motor?
> | >>
> | >> SAE 10W30: Recommended for 2005 Wrangler (TJ) Rubicon 4 IL6. Both
> | >> weights
> | >> available in Mobile 1 & Mobile 1 EP.
> | >>
> | >> Please no fireballs...
> | >>
> | >> ...this is neither a debate about the merits (or lack thereof) of
> | >> synthetic
> | >> motor oils, nor the justifications for both dino & synthetic motor
> oils.
> | >>
> | >> Thanks very much.
> | >>
> | >> Campbell Freeman
> | >> South Carolina
> |
> |
>
>