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DTJ > wrote in news:e4r1b1dvgu56h8qh4aokiru3n0maoe4g5n@
4ax.com: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:06:01 -0500, > (Matthew Russotto) wrote: > >>>> 2) An efficient method of transport >>> >>>That already exists for other gases including propane. >> >>That is true, but those methods do not work well for hydrogen. >>Hydrogen leaks from everything, and causes metals to become brittle. > > I have to believe that in spite of the fact that 90% of people drive > like morons, our ingenuity could come up with a method to transport > hydrogen if there were a potential profit. You need to say something other than "our ingenuity", Nazi, as it is pretty clear that you are barely bright enough to pick your nose. -- Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time |
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"Dave Lister" > wrote in message . 6... > > You need to say something other than "our ingenuity", Nazi, as it is > pretty > clear that you are barely bright enough to pick your nose. > "loon loon loon, nazi nazi nazi" you sure are getting boring. |
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"Dave Lister" > wrote in message . 6... >stamps his widdle foot That's what I thought. |
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"Bernard Farquart" > wrote in
: > I thought... That was your first mistake, pinhead.. -- Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time |
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Dave Lister > wrote: >"fbloogyudsr" > wrote in news:11b0t9to28meu75 : > >> "Alan Baker" > wrote >>> "'The formation of NOx also occurs when you burn gasoline,' explains >>> Heffel. 'But in the case of hydrogen we have a wide flammability range >>> and, therefore, the engine can be tuned to have a lower combustion >>> temperature. This in turn results in lower NOx emissions.'" >> >> Lower combustion temp == lower efficiency. Sorry, you lose. > >"Lose"? I dont think so. These problems are minor. If by "minor" you mean "insurmountable". It's simple thermodynamics that reducing combustion temperature reduces efficiency. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Alan Baker > wrote in
: > In article >, > Dave Lister > wrote: > >> Alan Baker > wrote in news:alangbaker- >> : >> >> > In article > , >> > Dave Lister > wrote: >> > >> >> Alan Baker > wrote in news:alangbaker- >> >> : >> >> >> >> > In article > , >> >> > Dave Lister > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Alan Baker > wrote in >> >> >> : >> >> >> >> >> >> > In article > , >> >> >> > Dave Lister > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> (Matthew Russotto) wrote in >> >> >> >> : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Let's see, in that category, we need >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 1) An efficient method of hydrogen production (not from >> fossil >> >> >> >> > fuels) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why? Coal would be a good short term source for the energy >> needed. >> >> >> >> Solar, nukes, wind and others longer term. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2) An efficient method of transport >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That already exists for other gases including propane. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 3) Several efficient methods of storage (large scale and >> small >> >> >> >> > scale) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Already there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 4) An efficient and pollution-free means of using the >> hydrogen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hydrogen by definition is pollution free at the users end. >> Clearly >> >> >> >> the production pollution depends on where we get the energy. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No, it's not. But used as fuel for a fuel cell, it is. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, it is if burned properly. >> >> > >> >> > Describe this proper burning which doesn't produce any NOx... >> >> >> >> http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=182 >> > >> > Apparently you didn't read it: >> > >> > "'The formation of NOx also occurs when you burn gasoline,' >> > explains Heffel. 'But in the case of hydrogen we have a wide >> > flammability range and, therefore, the engine can be tuned to have >> > a lower combustion temperature. This in turn results in lower NOx >> > emissions.'" >> > >> > "Lower NOx emissions", not *no* NOx emissions. >> >> Apparently you didn't read it, where it says that the emissions can >> be reduced to the normal background level. > > All they've actually demonstrated is lower emissions. They *claim* to > be able to reduce NOx to the levels already present in the air anyway, > but their logic seems rather flawed... I'm sure you know more than they do. -- Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time |
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DTJ > wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:06:01 -0500, >(Matthew Russotto) wrote: > >>>> 2) An efficient method of transport >>> >>>That already exists for other gases including propane. >> >>That is true, but those methods do not work well for hydrogen. >>Hydrogen leaks from everything, and causes metals to become brittle. > >I have to believe that in spite of the fact that 90% of people drive >like morons, our ingenuity could come up with a method to transport >hydrogen if there were a potential profit. That's all you've got, a personal conviction that it can be done? What's the big advantage of hydrogen that gets people all excited over it, despite the fact that there's no reason to believe it's more practical than any of a number of more developed options? -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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