In Defense of Enzo, who loved Jeeps

wrote:

> The Ford GT IS two hundred grand-but it's maybe fifty grand worth of
> car, tops.

Buahahahahaha... Oh my god the laughter... They got orders for them for the
next couple of years and people are paying as much as $100 grand over
sticker for them, as reported on Motorweek. I think the market decides the
value of a good, at least in capitalism.


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Ruel Smith proclaimed:

> wrote:
>
>
>>The Ford GT IS two hundred grand-but it's maybe fifty grand worth of
>>car, tops.
>
>
> Buahahahahaha... Oh my god the laughter... They got orders for them for the
> next couple of years and people are paying as much as $100 grand over
> sticker for them, as reported on Motorweek. I think the market decides the
> value of a good, at least in capitalism.

....and every one of them is being recalled for such a trivial thing
as the cast suspension control arms cracking.

proclaimed:

> I don't think Enzo loved cars per se, he loved engineering, he loved
> good workmanship-and he thought of himself as a engine and chassis
> builder, preferring to leave coachwork elsewhere-and most of all he
> loved winning. Ford beat him, once or twice, Colin Chapman ditto,
> everyone else ditto. Enzo went the distance. Even Shel never really
> beat him-no one did. He's the Sinatra of fast cars. He really did do
> it his way.
>
> The 308 was, I think, really a Dino to Enzo-a Ferrari was a twelve
> cylinder automobile. The 365BB is to me the ultimate Ferrari, he
> couldn't sell it in America, but he'd made his point. The 308 is still
> a fun car to drive-yes, I have-but it has a 90 degree flat crank V8.

The 308 indeed was supposed to have just been the follow on model of
Dino, succeeding the far better looking Dino 246. Only the 12
cylinder models were supposed to be Ferrari badged. Then they
discovered they had no real new 12 cylinder model to compete near
the price range so they violated Enzo's edict.
>
> I'd like to see a Chevelle (not gutted out and NASCARized) beat any
> Ferrari ever built around the Nürburgring. THAT, and not High School
> Drag Night, is what performance is about.
>
How about a turbo Range Rover doing it? Or a Hemi Cuda which did it
around LeMans?

proclaimed:

> Yeah, they beat Ferrari. Sure did.
>
> ONCE.
>
Twice. And in one year, came in one, two, and three.

proclaimed:

> Worse, they were jackoffs about it. instead of letting Ken Miles have
> the win, which he needed, they were made to cross one-two-three-Ford
> came off looking like jerks, which they were. Then, he was
> killed....which made it worse. It was to Ford's racing program what
> "After The Fall" was to Arthur Miller. Made them pariahs.


Ken Miles himself disputed your claim in Road & Track. It wasn't
Ford that cost him that victory, it was the LeMans judges who awarded
another Ford the victory due to the difference in starting
position/time.

Not all Americans are hillbilly jackoffs. A lot of them are, but some
of us are intelligent people who have a moderately good idea of what
the rest of the world is like. American road racing, if not as big as
NASCAR or other sports entertainment, has a long proud history, we have
nothing to be ashamed of really.

But we've never had quite an Enzo Ferrari. We had Miller, Kurtis,
Cunningham, Shelby, the Chapparal guy, several others, they had
Maserati, Bugatti (Italian born but geographically and in every other
way French), Talbot, Uhlenhaut, Chapman, and a bigger bunch of others.

Anyway, Ford racing mgmt DID say they wanted the cars across the line
one-two-three. Miles did sandbag, and the rest is face-saving. It was
the difference between beating the opponent and destroying him. It made
Ford, to quote Rich Taylor (the definitive book may be his 'Modern
Classics') "the overdog", and they were hated. It cost them a lot of
business in England and Germany where Ford was big. And Americans
were-the hick contingent-oblivious or -the bright ones-equally ****ed.

And to sauce the goose, by the early seventies, the Ferraris DID have
the displacement and the light weight to terrorize punks at the
stoplight. Whether it was worth the wear on the clutch and CV joints
was another matter-but by the Daytona they could and did.

The interesting thing is that the 308 chassis was designed originally
to take the Columbo V12. No one picked up on that until a Califiornia
owner got the bizarre idea to see if a V12 would fit. It did, albeit
with some extensive fabrication, but only just-it had to have been
designed that way from the beginning.

More bizarre was the 330 P three seater. Rumor has it it was
originally designed for a DOHC scratchbuilt broad arrow twelve-thirty
years after the Napier Railton and thirty years before a W-12 F1 engine
effort recently.