Even moe stupid cop tricks

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> jaybird wrote:
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>> > jaybird wrote:
>> >> "Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > jaybird wrote:
>> >> >> "Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>>jaybird wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>"Brent P" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>In article >, jaybird
>> >> >>>>>wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>"Brent P" > wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>In article >,
>> >> >>>>>>>jaybird
>> >> >>>>>>>wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>said that in his opinion what they did looked reckless. I'm
>> >> >>>>>>>>pretty
>> >> >>>>>>>>sure
>> >> >>>>>>>>that it did, but that's what happens when any car drives
>> >> >>>>>>>>outside
>> >> >>>>>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>>>>normal
>> >> >>>>>>>>limits of what our laws say. My point in responding to this
>> >> >>>>>>>>is
>> >> >>>>>>>>that
>> >> >>>>>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>>>>law
>> >> >>>>>>>>allows certain vehicles to do things outside those normal
>> >> >>>>>>>>limits
>> >> >>>>>>>>because
>> >> >>>>>>>>they have different priorities.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>So, lets say you see someone who appears to be doing some
>> >> >>>>>>>reckless
>> >> >>>>>>>with
>> >> >>>>>>>his car on the public road. You pull him over and find out he's
>> >> >>>>>>>an
>> >> >>>>>>>experienced SCCA racer. He knows exactly where the limits of
>> >> >>>>>>>his
>> >> >>>>>>>car
>> >> >>>>>>>are
>> >> >>>>>>>and can handle it perfectly. (much like a some people who
>> >> >>>>>>>are/were
>> >> >>>>>>>regulars of r.a.d, not me BTW) Would this fly with you and
>> >> >>>>>>>you'd
>> >> >>>>>>>let
>> >> >>>>>>>him
>> >> >>>>>>>go? I think not.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>If there were a provision for that in the law. I don't know
>> >> >>>>>>that
>> >> >>>>>>there is
>> >> >>>>>>anything in it that says SCCA racers have to respond to
>> >> >>>>>>emergencies.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Legality and safety aren't the same thing.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Personal vehicles and emergency vehicles are not the same thing.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Mechanically, what's the difference between a crown vic with the
>> >> >>>uprated
>> >> >>>suspension and a cop car?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think there is too much of a difference. I don't think
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> much about performance as it is about the extra wear and tear. The
>> >> >> guys
>> >> >> at our shop say that the suspension and electrical systems are
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> only major upgrade. From a google search there are claims that the
>> >> >> brake
>> >> >> system is upgraded, rims/tires, dual exhaust, and oil/tranny
>> >> >> coolers
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> different. I'm not sure how much of that is offered on the standard
>> >> >> Crown
>> >> >> Vic though. My comment above is more about purpose than
>> >> >> performance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > If the performance is the same, then what's the difference? That
>> >> > would
>> >> > imply that a civilian driving in the same manner as a cop is just as
>> >> > safe
>> >> > as a cop... but of course the civilian will go to jail and lose his
>> >> > license... that doesn't seem right somehow?
>> >>
>> >> Sure it does, you're just not looking at it from the right
>> >> perspective.
>> >> It
>> >> doesn't matter what kind of car anyone is driving. If a cop was
>> >> issued a
>> >> Ford Fiesta rather than a Crown Vic, it wouldn't change the job he is
>> >> doing.
>> >> His response time to a call usually has a potential to effect the
>> >> outcome
>> >> unless it is an offense that occured prior.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I meant to reply to this earlier, not sure why I didn't...
>> >
>> > anyway, my point was not about the car so much as the fact that it's
>> > equally unsafe for a cop to be driving "like a cop" as it is for a
>> > civilian with reasonable driving skill to be driving "like a cop."
>> > Both are illegal (unless the cop has lights and/or siren on) in my
>> > area. The cop's driving is universally overlooked. A civilian would
>> > probably go to jail.
>>
>> Any my point was about necessity. Arriving somewhere a few seconds
>> sooner
>> for a cop can sometimes make a huge difference. Sometimes that outweighs
>> the risk of driving outside the normal limits of the law.
>
> MY point is, which I'm sure you're aware of by now, that around here
> cops don't EVER follow pretty much ANY of the traffic laws. They
> certainly can't all be responding to emergencies 24/7 can they? and
> does not signalling lane changes or tailgating really get you anywhere
> any faster?

Tailgating might, but you usually end up with someone's bumper in the front
of your car. )

>
>>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > And yes you are right there are auxiliary coolers, and probably the
>> >> > stock
>> >> > tires are better, not sure if you get wider wheels or not. I don't
>> >> > know
>> >> > about the brakes, if they are physically bigger or if you just get
>> >> > uprated
>> >> > linings (which a civilian car probably gets at its first brake job
>> >> > anyway)
>> >>
>> >> I don't know, I kinda wonder about the equipment sometimes. After
>> >> all,
>> >> it
>> >> is a government agency and they usually go with the lowest bidder for
>> >> parts.
>> >>
>> >
>> >>From a "car guy" perspective a cop car really is a nice package. You
>> > are somewhat correct in that there's not a GREAT difference between a
>> > cop car and a civilian car in terms of performance, but in terms of
>> > long term usability and durability the cop car is the way to go; it is
>> > basically a towing package and a handling package bundled together,
>> > with a couple extra HD options that either aren't available to the
>> > general public or require lots of research and a friendly, helpful
>> > dealer to find the right boxes to check on the option sheet. Handling
>> > is generally much better at the expense of ride quality which is
>> > generally marshmallow soft on the consumer-grade versions. I
>> > personally would far rather have a police package Vicky than the
>> > regular consumer grade version.
>>
>> It is a very good car. I wish it had a little more kick to it when
>> you're
>> taking off from a stop, but other than that I've driven them for so long,
>> so
>> many miles, that it's like a second skin. When I went to the emergency
>> vehicle driving instructor school we learned just how far you can push
>> that
>> particular car and it made a huge difference. The students we teach,
>> usually cops who have been out on the street several years, are sometimes
>> amazed at how much farther they'll go once they learn to stop squealing
>> tires and to feather the gas.
>
> That brings up two points... first, almost nobody knows where the
> limits of their car really are so they are not comfortable approaching
> them. Myself included; my current vehicles are my company car (which I
> have not thoroghly tested for obvious reasons,) a Porsche 944 (because
> its limits are so high that it's a really, really BAD idea to get
> anywhere near them on a public road) and a '55 Stude coupe (which is
> still in the "shakedown" stage.) But when I was working with ABS
> software it was often stated that the average driver would likely never
> intentionally exceed 0.3G in any direction, which pretty much squares
> with my observations and anyone with a subscription to any car magazine
> would infer from that that there is a HUGE cushion between how people
> actually drive and the ultimate limits of their vehicles - over 100% in
> almost all cases. Of course, that's actually a GOOD thing, as we
> wouldn't want people driving around on public roads at 9/10ths all the
> time. So your observations are probably valid not only for
> police-package Vickys in particular, but for most cars on the road.

Yep. In a perfect world everyone would know the limits of their vehicle if
for nothing else than evasive manuvers to avoid a wreck. It's like people
who slam on their brakes rather than steering around a collision. As many
people in this n.g. are already familiar, it's easy to use the center of
gravity of your car to your advantage and accelerating is sometimes easier
to control than braking in a turn (depending on the circumstances).

>
> Second point. Quicker takeoff is easy to achieve. For a nominal fee I
> would be more than happy to advise you on how best to perk up your
> cruiser. I'm thinking to start with we could throw in the motor from a
> SVT Cobra; it should bolt right in although there will have to be some
> modifications made to the electronics. If you are still unhappy with
> the power we can talk farther <G>

What's the no fee solution? )

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> "N8N" > wrote in message
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>>Second point. Quicker takeoff is easy to achieve. For a nominal fee I
>>would be more than happy to advise you on how best to perk up your
>>cruiser. I'm thinking to start with we could throw in the motor from a
>>SVT Cobra; it should bolt right in although there will have to be some
>>modifications made to the electronics. If you are still unhappy with
>>the power we can talk farther <G>
>
>
> What's the no fee solution? )
>

Nitrous oxide works well, and is relatively inexpensive (if you use
restraint with it, that is) - your cruiser is out of warranty, right?
How fast do you want to spend? <G> (oh, yeah, you're supposed to keep
the mechanical valve closed on the street... cops don't like it when
you have your NOx bottle open... but I guess that wouldn't be an issue
would it?)

Alternately, you could try to convince all the criminals in your area to
drive slow cars.

nate

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