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Alfisti help needed.
My Alfa, Black 147 3 door 1.6 TS Lusseo was newly registered in Nov:2003.
Had it's 12,000 mile service last week and this morning came to a grinding halt when the Cam Belt snapped. Engine turns over but Camshaft doesn't. No horrible sounds and was only travelling at 10mph. Car now at dealers. Anyone have any advice on how to proceed? Should I insist on a replacement engine or accept a rebuild? Should I insist on a guarantee letter from Alfa/The Dealer if the engine is rebuilt? Tearful Alfa owner'''''''''''''' -- Paul.Woodsford Remove **NOSPAM** to reply. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 12/10/2004 |
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Paul Woodsford wrote:
> My Alfa, Black 147 3 door 1.6 TS Lusseo was newly registered in Nov:2003. > Had it's 12,000 mile service last week and this morning came to a grinding > halt when the Cam Belt snapped. What a sod > Engine turns over but Camshaft doesn't. > No horrible sounds and was only travelling at 10mph. > Car now at dealers. > Anyone have any advice on how to proceed? > Should I insist on a replacement engine or accept a rebuild? Should I > insist on a guarantee letter from Alfa/The Dealer if the engine is > rebuilt? Tearful Alfa owner'''''''''''''' Good question. I can't see any real reason why a rebuild should be less reliable than a new one. Also, I can't really see why either should affect your resale value. I'd take what I can get IIWY -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk |
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Paul Woodsford wrote:
> Anyone have any advice on how to proceed? > Should I insist on a replacement engine or accept a rebuild? Should I insist > on a guarantee letter from Alfa/The Dealer if the engine is rebuilt? > Tearful Alfa owner'''''''''''''' If it had happened to my car, I would remove the head/top to inspect for any signs of contact between pistons and valves. If there were signs of contact, I would replace the injured valve(s) and have the head compression tested. If the piston(s) had any sign of damage, I would change them too. Also, I would replace the crankshaft bearings, but that might just be me being hysterical? If there was no signs of contact, I would still have the head compression tested, just in case my eye missed something. After reassembly, I would run a compression test on the engine. Now, you could be so lucky that nothing made contact and the engine just needs a new cam belt plus fixed whatever made the cambelt snap. You could choose just to replace the cam belt and then run a compression test on the engine. If all four cylinders has the same compression, you could be okay. Ask the shop what they normally do in a situation like this, and ask all of the important questions like "how" and "why".. Ask them to save the parts they replace, sound curious and interested in how the parts look, it gives you a chance to check how much work they actually did. When the car is done, have them run a compression test while you watch, it takes roughly 5 minutes - all they have to do is take out the spark plugs, fit a hose with a manometer into every hole and run the engine on the starter. The manometer then shows how much pressure each cylinder produces and the results should be within 0,5 bar/7 psi in difference of each other on a new engine like that. As for the guarantee, I'm not sure how much you can get them to promise, but do make them sign a letter that says that on october this-and-that they got the car with a broken cam belt and now they mean the car is okay again. Record the mileage too. They can't promise you that the car will run trouble free for ever more, so just get a letter explaining what they have done and that they think it solved the problem. If later the car gets any related throubles, that letter will be great to have. -- Hygge.. Thomas <http://www.carftp.com> - a library of car videos. |
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I might have a problem with Alfa warranty relating to a foreign body
damaging the bottom of the Cambelt cover leading to the cambelt failing at 12000 miles. Originally the 147 had a shield across the bottom of the engine compartment. My 147 registered in Nov 2003 never had one. Can anyone, who registered a 147 1.6TS from Nov 2003 onwards let me know if their car has such a shield, and where it was registered? "I have seen the engine and belt. Belt split lengthways and 1 half then split across. That was the noise I heard. Then 5 of the teeth were stripped on the remaining half belt. There is a hole in the bottom of the cambelt cover, but nothing within the cambelt cover when removed. I might be lucky. They intend to put a belt on and check compressions before stripping head." -- Paul.Woodsford Remove **NOSPAM** to reply. "Thomas Strandtoft" > wrote in message ... > Paul Woodsford wrote: > >> Anyone have any advice on how to proceed? >> Should I insist on a replacement engine or accept a rebuild? Should I >> insist >> on a guarantee letter from Alfa/The Dealer if the engine is rebuilt? >> Tearful Alfa owner'''''''''''''' > > If it had happened to my car, I would remove the head/top to > inspect for any signs of contact between pistons and valves. If > there were signs of contact, I would replace the injured valve(s) > and have the head compression tested. If the piston(s) had any > sign of damage, I would change them too. Also, I would replace the > crankshaft bearings, but that might just be me being hysterical? > If there was no signs of contact, I would still have the head > compression tested, just in case my eye missed something. After > reassembly, I would run a compression test on the engine. > > Now, you could be so lucky that nothing made contact and the > engine just needs a new cam belt plus fixed whatever made the > cambelt snap. You could choose just to replace the cam belt and > then run a compression test on the engine. If all four cylinders > has the same compression, you could be okay. > > Ask the shop what they normally do in a situation like this, and > ask all of the important questions like "how" and "why".. Ask them > to save the parts they replace, sound curious and interested in > how the parts look, it gives you a chance to check how much work > they actually did. When the car is done, have them run a > compression test while you watch, it takes roughly 5 minutes - all > they have to do is take out the spark plugs, fit a hose with a > manometer into every hole and run the engine on the starter. The > manometer then shows how much pressure each cylinder produces and > the results should be within 0,5 bar/7 psi in difference of each > other on a new engine like that. > > As for the guarantee, I'm not sure how much you can get them to > promise, but do make them sign a letter that says that on october > this-and-that they got the car with a broken cam belt and now they > mean the car is okay again. Record the mileage too. They can't > promise you that the car will run trouble free for ever more, so > just get a letter explaining what they have done and that they > think it solved the problem. If later the car gets any related > throubles, that letter will be great to have. > > -- > Hygge.. > Thomas > > <http://www.carftp.com> - a library of car videos. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.777 / Virus Database: 524 - Release Date: 14/10/2004 |
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