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  #11  
Old July 11th 05, 05:38 PM
Patrick
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I'm unexperienced on that matter but what's the difference between a Dana
44s and others Dana's and does that mean i can tow my daughter's horse
trailer without worry ?
"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
> You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>
http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>> I believe the difference is in the detail.
>>
>> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
>> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
>> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
>>
>> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
>> axle
>> job
>> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
>> type and
>> the single axle type is significant.
>>
>> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
>>
>> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
>> couldn't allow you
>> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
>> unstability.
>>
>> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
>> Defender which
>> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
>> wheel
>> base)
>>
>> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
>> Trailer with Brakes:
>> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
>> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
>> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
>>
>> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
>> LandRover !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ



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  #12  
Old July 11th 05, 05:51 PM
Mike Romain
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Absolutely 'no' difference for all practical purposes.

Folks go and put low gears, lockers and monster tires on, then cry when
something explodes. The fact that 99.9% of Jeeps out there run the same
differential (only one that comes with most of them) really skews the
numbers so folks can say things like the Dana 35 is weak, well it is the
only one they put on, so what 'other' kinds could be weak, none right.

Some Jeeps come with a so called stronger rear end, the Dana 44 but the
boys with the big toys still destroy them and call them weak, so go out
and put Dana 60's in..... and on and on.

Something like a hard drive, no matter how big it is, you have it filled
in 6 months.

These failures don't happen on the highway usually, but at slow high
torque situations. See my engine mount post....

If your trailer is like the one described, you shouldn't have any
issues. I would try it in an empty lot or somewhere to see how it
handles when hard braking before taking it on the road though.

I don't know where you live, but around here 55 mph is the max for
towing speed anyway. That extra 10 or 15 mph really makes a difference
in how things work too.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm unexperienced on that matter but what's the difference between a Dana
> 44s and others Dana's and does that mean i can tow my daughter's horse
> trailer without worry ?
> "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > a écrit dans le message de
> news: ...
> > You forgot to tell Patrick, your TJs came with Dana 44s.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >
http://www.billhughes.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe the difference is in the detail.
> >>
> >> The US spec says 2000lb as you say.
> >> The UK spec says 2000kg ( seems to have dropped to 1920kg on new models)
> >> but specifies that this is with a *BRAKED* trailer.
> >>
> >> My trailer http://milne.info/wagoneer/trailer.jpg is a 2.7 ton GWV twin
> >> axle
> >> job
> >> with overrun brakes on both axles; the difference in stability with this
> >> type and
> >> the single axle type is significant.
> >>
> >> I bet your horse trailer has more than one axle and proper brakes.
> >>
> >> The bottom line is that there is no problem with the drivetrain that
> >> couldn't allow you
> >> to tow more except that the wheelbase is so short that you risk
> >> unstability.
> >>
> >> Here are some figures for Jeeps main (and better ?) rival, the LandRover
> >> Defender which
> >> I think proves my point ( Defender has a 90" wheel base, TJ has a 93"
> >> wheel
> >> base)
> >>
> >> Unbraked Trailer (On or Off Road): 1650lb (750 kg)
> >> Trailer with Brakes:
> >> Off-Road: 2200lb (1000 kg)
> >> On-Road (low range): 7700lb (3500 kg)
> >> On-Road (high range): 5000lb (2275 kg)
> >>
> >> If anything, it looks like Jeep are being less conservative than
> >> LandRover !
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

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Old July 11th 05, 06:39 PM
Jeff Strickland
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"Patrick" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> Although already discussed on this forum, i'm a bite sceptical when i read
> various literature about the wrangler towing capacity.
> According to the owner's manual max towing is 2000 lbs.
> According to my car registration licence and the french caracteristics
> leaflet given by Chrysler Jeep, max towing is 2000 kg ( 4400 lbs ).
> Quite a difference !
> Yesterday i towed, with my brand ne 4.0 wrangler, for over 100 miles at
> about 60 mph a horse trailer weighting about 1200 kg ( 2640 lbs ) without

a
> single problem. Everything went just smooth and it seemed that the car

could
> tow much more.
> Was i crazy ?


Yes, you were crazy. The fact that you survived means nothing.





Should i limit the tow ? Is it just a matter of local
> regulation between US and Europe ?
> Thanks for your answers.
> Best regards,
> Patrick
>
>
>



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Old July 11th 05, 08:17 PM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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I really wouldn't. You known your horsy friends would only use a
dually, of course they love their horses.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm unexperienced on that matter but what's the difference between a Dana
> 44s and others Dana's and does that mean i can tow my daughter's horse
> trailer without worry ?

  #15  
Old July 11th 05, 08:45 PM
Mike Romain
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Bill, these guys are talking a 2500 lb trailer with dual axles and
brakes...

The TJ limit is 2000 single and brakeless.....

Crap how much does the damn horse weigh?

I would stick to rural roads and not think twice about pulling 500 lb
over with it's own 4 wheels and brakes.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>
> I really wouldn't. You known your horsy friends would only use a
> dually, of course they love their horses.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Patrick wrote:
> >
> > I'm unexperienced on that matter but what's the difference between a Dana
> > 44s and others Dana's and does that mean i can tow my daughter's horse
> > trailer without worry ?

  #16  
Old July 11th 05, 09:31 PM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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Plus the can shift their weight, I remember animals brought down a
747.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Bill, these guys are talking a 2500 lb trailer with dual axles and
> brakes...
>
> The TJ limit is 2000 single and brakeless.....
>
> Crap how much does the damn horse weigh?
>
> I would stick to rural roads and not think twice about pulling 500 lb
> over with it's own 4 wheels and brakes.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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Old July 12th 05, 01:30 PM
inajeep
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Thank you for the link, it was an interesting read. I have the 35c's
and tow a 14' Aluminum boat so I guess I"m safe.

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Old July 12th 05, 08:51 PM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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Just keep your poles, tackle, jackets, picnic basket and cooler in
the Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

inajeep wrote:
>
> Thank you for the link, it was an interesting read. I have the 35c's
> and tow a 14' Aluminum boat so I guess I"m safe.

  #19  
Old July 14th 05, 03:33 AM
Chad Fraker
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My wife's last horse weighed around 1100. She says the average horse weighs
around 1000 lbs. She went to school for equine management, and when we had
her WJ limited, we only considered light weight aluminum trailers with their
own breaks to haul her horse.
"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Bill, these guys are talking a 2500 lb trailer with dual axles and
> brakes...
>
> The TJ limit is 2000 single and brakeless.....
>
> Crap how much does the damn horse weigh?
>
> I would stick to rural roads and not think twice about pulling 500 lb
> over with it's own 4 wheels and brakes.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>>
>> I really wouldn't. You known your horsy friends would only use a
>> dually, of course they love their horses.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> http://www.billhughes.com/
>>
>> Patrick wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm unexperienced on that matter but what's the difference between a
>> > Dana
>> > 44s and others Dana's and does that mean i can tow my daughter's horse
>> > trailer without worry ?



  #20  
Old July 14th 05, 04:24 PM
extremetj
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Jeeps reasoning for their towing capacity is due to the wheel base not what
the axles can handle they are looking at a safe tow without affecting
handling or ride and lifting the liability off of Jeep.

Larry



"Chad Fraker" > wrote in message
...
> My wife's last horse weighed around 1100. She says the average horse
> weighs around 1000 lbs. She went to school for equine management, and
> when we had her WJ limited, we only considered light weight aluminum
> trailers with their own breaks to haul her horse.
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Bill, these guys are talking a 2500 lb trailer with dual axles and
>> brakes...
>>
>> The TJ limit is 2000 single and brakeless.....
>>
>> Crap how much does the damn horse weigh?
>>
>> I would stick to rural roads and not think twice about pulling 500 lb
>> over with it's own 4 wheels and brakes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> "L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wouldn't. You known your horsy friends would only use a
>>> dually, of course they love their horses.
>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>> http://www.billhughes.com/
>>>
>>> Patrick wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm unexperienced on that matter but what's the difference between a
>>> > Dana
>>> > 44s and others Dana's and does that mean i can tow my daughter's horse
>>> > trailer without worry ?

>
>



 




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