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  #11  
Old December 31st 03, 12:52 AM
Eric Schreiber
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"Dunter Powries" wrote:

Ghosties aren't worth it. They're one of the least interesting things you
could ever get fined for.


Hey! I like my ghost shrimp! And they like me, I'm certain of it.



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Old December 31st 03, 02:35 AM
nuchumYussel
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Hey Joeseph, what state do you live in? I live in Virginia and have
not found ANY stores in my area, Virginia Beach, that carry Killifish.
And have found ghost shirmp ONCE.

Evan
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Old December 31st 03, 06:25 PM
Empty
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LtWolfe wrote in
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I am well aware of the exotic problems in my current state of
residence.


Apparently not. Walking catfish alone have decimated your natural ecology,
and from some of the studies I have seen nearly 40% of Florida's fauna is
introduced species.

Why do you seem so quick to take away MY right?


What right? I may have missed the Right to Keep Exotic Pets in the
Constitution.

Because of
what someone ELSE did? Why should I be punished for the acts of
others? Does that seem right?


Hi there, welcome to the real world. Does it seem "right" to you that a
natural ecology should be entirely usurped because you want to keep
plant/animal X? Are your rights more important than entire sections of the
ecosystem your region depends on?

Besides, there are very few exotics
doing well, compared to the number in the hobby, and natives in FL.


You are very obviously not aware of the problem with exotics in your state
if you think this is the case.

http://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/waterman/apm/apm.htm , to start with.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Galler.../WalkingCatfis
h.html is another.

Bottom line, I am responsible for MY
actions. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. Let's keep it like that
okay? (or rather, get it back like that).


Yes, let's. So be responsible, and follow the law, which is backed by the
Fish and Game Dept who obviously know much more about the natural ecology
of the area.

You may not think you are releasing these animals or plants in the wild,
and yet you may be doing so inadvertently. You may be flushing invertebrate
or fish eggs with your water changes. You may also be releasing spores from
spore-breeding plants (example: duckweed).

The bottom line is that you have no "right" to make decisions regarding the
Florida ecosystem, nor do you have any "right" to own any kind of aquarium
fish or plant.

~Empty
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'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike
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Old January 1st 04, 12:28 AM
Le Trôle
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"Empty" wrote in message
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LtWolfe wrote in
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Why do you seem so quick to take away MY right?


What right? I may have missed the Right to Keep Exotic Pets in the
Constitution.



That's because rights exist whether or not they're found
in some Big List of Rights.


The bottom line is that you have no "right" to make decisions
regarding the Florida ecosystem, nor do you have any "right"
to own any kind of aquarium fish or plant.



LtWolfe does indeed have the right to own any kind
of aquarium fish or plant, even though there may be
some reason that he should not exercise that right.

It appears that PETA has found yet another unwitting stooge.


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Old January 1st 04, 02:05 AM
Jim
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:28:48 -0000, "Le Trôle"
wrote:

"Empty" wrote in message
.. .
LtWolfe wrote in
:


Why do you seem so quick to take away MY right?


What right? I may have missed the Right to Keep Exotic Pets in the
Constitution.



That's because rights exist whether or not they're found
in some Big List of Rights.


The bottom line is that you have no "right" to make decisions
regarding the Florida ecosystem, nor do you have any "right"
to own any kind of aquarium fish or plant.



LtWolfe does indeed have the right to own any kind
of aquarium fish or plant, even though there may be
some reason that he should not exercise that right.

It appears that PETA has found yet another unwitting stooge.

The US Constitution tells the Federal Government what it
may not do. The rest fall to the states. And the states do have
the right and responsibility to keep dangerous non-native animals
out of our lakes and streams.

Jim
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Old January 1st 04, 02:07 AM
LtWolfe
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Thank you Letrol. You took the words right out of my mouth.

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Old January 1st 04, 02:17 AM
Dunter Powries
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LtWolfe wrote in message
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Thank you Letrol. You took the words right out of my mouth.


I, personally, have no problem with the concept of personal responsibility.
We should all accept and be expected to accept responsibility for the
consequences of our own decisions, actions, and failures to act.

If you dick-up an entire ecosystem, a $500 suspended fine from a district
court is NOT going to satisfy me.




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Old January 1st 04, 02:48 AM
Empty
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"Le Trôle" wrote in
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What right? I may have missed the Right to Keep Exotic Pets in the
Constitution.


That's because rights exist whether or not they're found
in some Big List of Rights.


Yes, the right to keep exotic pets is a basic human right. In fact,
I think there was something about that in the Geneva Convention. Someone
alert the UN- Florida Fish and Game is oppressing LtWolfe!

The bottom line is that you have no "right" to make decisions
regarding the Florida ecosystem, nor do you have any "right"
to own any kind of aquarium fish or plant.


LtWolfe does indeed have the right to own any kind
of aquarium fish or plant, even though there may be
some reason that he should not exercise that right.


I suppose, then, that I have the right to dump 100 gallons of used motor
oil in the drainage tunnel outside my house?

Your rights end when someone else's begin, and the well-being of the
ecosystem that WE ALL depend on to LIVE outweighs your theoritical right to
keep something you find interesting.

It appears that PETA has found yet another unwitting stooge.


What is this babble? I don't much like PETA, and this has NOTHING to do
with PETA. Call me the EPA's stooge if you have to fit me somewhere into
your tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories.

I am, however, an aquarist with some knowledge of the delicate balance of
ecosystems and morals enough to know there are things more important than
my whims or desires.

~Empty
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'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike
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Old January 1st 04, 02:49 AM
Empty
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"Dunter Powries" wrote in
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I, personally, have no problem with the concept of personal
responsibility. We should all accept and be expected to accept
responsibility for the consequences of our own decisions, actions, and
failures to act.


Agreed!

If you dick-up an entire ecosystem, a $500 suspended fine from a
district court is NOT going to satisfy me.


Doubly agreed!

I actually think that a crime of that nature warrants jail time.

~Empty
--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike
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Old January 1st 04, 03:50 AM
Dunter Powries
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Empty wrote in message
...
"Dunter Powries" wrote in
:

I, personally, have no problem with the concept of personal
responsibility. We should all accept and be expected to accept
responsibility for the consequences of our own decisions, actions, and
failures to act.


Agreed!

If you dick-up an entire ecosystem, a $500 suspended fine from a
district court is NOT going to satisfy me.


Doubly agreed!

I actually think that a crime of that nature warrants jail time.


How will incarceration restore a disrupted ecosystem? A genuinely
RESPONSIBLE person would not have engaged in an activity which could
conceivably have resulted in damage beyond their ability to repair or
restore. Therefore, in the event that damage DID occur, I would expect that
a genuinely RESPONSIBLE person would be able to restore that ecosystem to
it's previous state. No other outcome is acceptable.


 




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