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Scott en Aztl?n > wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:58:47 GMT, Alan Baker > > spake thus: > > >> The loss of oil is going to hit the U.S. the hardest. > > > >Have you noticed the huge oil reserves Japan has? You haven't? Hmmmm... > >I wonder why that is... > > Yes, but Japan doesn't have anything like the consumption rates that > the US has, either. Unlike us, they have invested in electric rail > technology that can move people much more fuel-efficiently - and can > be powered by non-petroleum energy source, such as newkyooler power. > And you can bet your bottom Yen that they're already working on > hydrogen and other alternative fuels. Just as they're ahead of the > rest of the world in earthquake preparedness, they're going to be the > most prepared when the oil spigot runs dry. > > I doubt Japan will be impacted much, if at all, by the loss of oil. But you just made my point: > And you can bet your bottom Yen that they're already working on > hydrogen and other alternative fuels. Yup. So it doesn't matter if GM and Ford can't provide the goods, because Honda, Nissan and Toyota will. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." |
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Dave wrote:
>> >> If GM and Ford are bailed out, they will have no motivation to change. >> Never mind that the hydrogen idea is just plain stupid. >> > > Again with the hydrogen is stupid. Your house burns down. Do you > build a new one? Nawwww. . . that would be "stupid". People are > arguing against hydrogen as if there is a CHOICE, but nobody can > seem to come up with a better solution. So when the oil runs out, > I guess we're all going to starve to death? Somehow, hydrogen > doesn't seem as "stupid" as starving to death. What makes you think the oil is going to run out anytime soon? Is your government waging another one of those BS campaigns like it did with the WMD thing? A more immediate problem is, what are you going to do when GM goes belly up and you're forced to either drive a Ford Explorer or a jap crap? |
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Dave > wrote: > >> [Attribution lost] >> All you need to do is to seperate the oxygen molecules from the hydrogen. >> Last time I checked that required energy to do. >> > >Yes, and it requires LESS energy than the hydrogen will create. >Interesting, eh? -Dave No, it requires more. Unless you've figured out nuclear fusion for power production. -- Darth Tel: "You can defeat Emperor Gates. He has forseen it. Join me, and together we will rule the Galaxy as father and son!" Steve Chipwalker, hanging on by his fingernails: "Sure thing, Pop. Just pull me up, give me a laptop, and we'll go axe your boss" -- Megahertz Wars, Episode V, "Finale". |
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Dave > wrote: >>> Yes, and it requires LESS energy than the hydrogen will create. >>> Interesting, eh? -Dave >> >> If you figured this crap out, I don't understand why you aren't a >> multigazillionaire. I certainly would be if I had your knowledge. >> > >Yeah, If I could figure out the problems that exist, I'd be a gazillionaire. > >Everybody likes to argue against hydrogen. But nobody seems to have a >better idea. Yeah, and maybe they'd have more energy to think it up if they didn't keep having to shoot down the foolishness that is hydrogen. -- Darth Tel: "You can defeat Emperor Gates. He has forseen it. Join me, and together we will rule the Galaxy as father and son!" Steve Chipwalker, hanging on by his fingernails: "Sure thing, Pop. Just pull me up, give me a laptop, and we'll go axe your boss" -- Megahertz Wars, Episode V, "Finale". |
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> What makes you think the oil is going to run out anytime soon? I listen to thousands of scientists who know a lot more about the issue than I do. What makes YOU think that oil is NOT going to run out soon? (this should be good) -Dave |
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>>Everybody likes to argue against hydrogen. But nobody seems to have a
>>better idea. > > Yeah, and maybe they'd have more energy to think it up if they didn't > keep having to shoot down the foolishness that is hydrogen. > -- Who are you to say it's foolish? Have you built a hydrogen powered car recently? Was it a dismal failure? Well, maybe somebody who doesn't believe it's foolish should give it a shot. Oh wait, it's already in the works. Never mind. -Dave |
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Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> And you can bet your bottom Yen that they're already working on > hydrogen and other alternative fuels. Sounds like they, and you, haven't yet figured out that H2 is not an alternative fuel. Like electricity, H2 is only a way of storing and transporting energy that must first come from other sources. And like electricity, H2 is NOT "pollution free" except at the consumer end of the energy-transport system. But the idea is popular in places like Los Angeles because it will let them export their cars' pollution to the outlying places where their electricity is generated. Unless the feds or the courts stop them. |
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John David Galt > wrote: >transporting energy that must first come from other sources. And like >electricity, H2 is NOT "pollution free" except at the consumer end of >the energy-transport system. Not even there, because NOx is still formed. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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