Interesting crash videos

http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video...n/video.ws.asx

You should be able to view this if you have installed Windows Media
Player 9 series or have XP installed on your system.

It appears in most cases that people weren't really paying attention
while driving, but there were two crashes that stand out.

The first one with the truck going across multiple lanes and the one
where the SUV was apparently preparing for a left turn and moves back to
the right lane.

How much is the Drive Cam? I want one in my car...


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But New Yorkers drive like s*** to begin with. Anytime someone starts
the engine on an auto within NY city limits the first thing that goes
through his/her mind is "Am I going to a statistic this time around?"








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In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:28:35 GMT, Arif Khokar >
> wrote:
>
>>http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video...n/video.ws.asx
>
> So much here I don't know where to begin.
>
> The most annoying thing in the whole piece is when Joan Claybrook,
> after viewing one of the crash videos, immediately determines "he was
> going too fast." That dumb **** needs to die in a single-vehicle
> "accident."

No ****. The woman should never working in the transportation field.
Everything to her is because of 'too fast'. She is the same one that
was for removal of lane discipline regulatory signs because forcing faster
drivers to weave slowed them down. She actually is on the record in favor
of left lane blockers.

> The camera system has been around for a while: it's called DriveCam
> http://www.drivecam.com/. Bill Schoolman, the owner of the bus company
> profiled in the piece, installed DriveCams in all his buses for the
> same reason I put a tracking system into the car I allow my son to
> drive: it's like having a cop visible in your rear-view mirror
> wherever you drive, and keeps you on your best behavior.

It's pricey cam for an individual though. I really have to get on the
stick and cobble together a system. I am so sick of the **** that happens
around me I think I need the video footage as a backup defense.

Scott en Aztlán wrote: <brevity snip>

> The camera system has been around for a while: it's called DriveCam
> http://www.drivecam.com/. Bill Schoolman, the owner of the bus company
> profiled in the piece, installed DriveCams in all his buses for the
> same reason I put a tracking system into the car I allow my son to
> drive: it's like having a cop visible in your rear-view mirror
> wherever you drive, and keeps you on your best behavior.

I shouldn't find that report sooo ****ing satisfying, but I do. I
guess I'm just gonna have to find some way to live with myself.

If you had taught your son to drive like he had some sense and remain
on his best behavior you wouldn't need to police him everywhere he
goes.

But you didn't and now you do...

<'scuse me> BuhWaHahahahaha...!
-----

- gpsman

"Ain't that a bitch?"- Johnny "Guitar" Watson

gpsman wrote:
> Scott en Aztlán wrote: <brevity snip>
>
>>The camera system has been around for a while: it's called DriveCam
>>http://www.drivecam.com/. Bill Schoolman, the owner of the bus company
>>profiled in the piece, installed DriveCams in all his buses for the
>>same reason I put a tracking system into the car I allow my son to
>>drive: it's like having a cop visible in your rear-view mirror
>>wherever you drive, and keeps you on your best behavior.
>
>
> I shouldn't find that report sooo ****ing satisfying, but I do. I
> guess I'm just gonna have to find some way to live with myself.
>
> If you had taught your son to drive like he had some sense and remain
> on his best behavior you wouldn't need to police him everywhere he
> goes.
>
> But you didn't and now you do...
>
> <'scuse me> BuhWaHahahahaha...!
> -----
>
> - gpsman
>
> "Ain't that a bitch?"- Johnny "Guitar" Watson
>

Holy crap, I find myself actually agreeing with gps "newbie troll of the
year" man.

nate

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Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:10:33 -0400, Nate Nagel >
> wrote:
>
> >Holy crap, I find myself actually agreeing with gps "newbie troll of the
> >year" man.
>
> Good parenting alone cannot overcome raging hormones, lack of
> experience, and immaturity. If parents think that their teenage
> drivers are not screwing around and taking unnecessary risks when they
> loan the kids their vehicles, you are a fool and in serious denial.

Well... it seems to me, according to you, *every* driver should strive
to maximize throughtput and violate speed limits as a safety technique
and take unnecessary risks in a cooperative effort to minimize your
travel time. You see no excuse for children of other people to reduce
their velocity or drive in a manner that doesn't match *your* supposed
skill level. WTF makes your kid special? Why shouldn't he rocket
around in the perfectly safe manner Daddy does? Are you forcing him to
sloth around LA in an effort to collect his life insurance?

>
> OTOH, part of being a good parent is to set limits and to firmly but
> fairly enforce them. And if an electronic tool helps you do that, why
> not take advantage of it? A GPS is no different than ABS, an air bag,
> or a cellular phone - it's an electronic device that increases the
> safety of your children.

OTOH my ass. Your kid is going to operate as you taught him, beginning
long before he was old enough to be licensed.

He's seen Daddy's disregard for the law and Daddy's priorities of
maximizing throughtput over safety and Daddy's distain for drivers who
choose to operate within the limts of their skill set. His Daddy
doesn't need any limits placed on his driving, why should he not rebel
against any limits Daddy imposes on him?

Now... you have a child you can't trust to drive responsibly, and you
know it.

You just don't want to take responsibility for the years of driving
examples you've set, preferring to blame horomones, lack of experience
and immaturity. Your son is going to find the path to maturity and
responsibility a long row to hoe...

It seems fools in serious denial are in no short supply.
-----

- gpsman

gpsman wrote:
> Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:10:33 -0400, Nate Nagel >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Holy crap, I find myself actually agreeing with gps "newbie troll of the
> > >year" man.
> >
> > Good parenting alone cannot overcome raging hormones, lack of
> > experience, and immaturity. If parents think that their teenage
> > drivers are not screwing around and taking unnecessary risks when they
> > loan the kids their vehicles, you are a fool and in serious denial.
>
> Well... it seems to me, according to you, *every* driver should strive
> to maximize throughtput and violate speed limits as a safety technique
> and take unnecessary risks in a cooperative effort to minimize your
> travel time. You see no excuse for children of other people to reduce
> their velocity or drive in a manner that doesn't match *your* supposed
> skill level. WTF makes your kid special? Why shouldn't he rocket
> around in the perfectly safe manner Daddy does? Are you forcing him to
> sloth around LA in an effort to collect his life insurance?
>
> >
> > OTOH, part of being a good parent is to set limits and to firmly but
> > fairly enforce them. And if an electronic tool helps you do that, why
> > not take advantage of it? A GPS is no different than ABS, an air bag,
> > or a cellular phone - it's an electronic device that increases the
> > safety of your children.
>
> OTOH my ass. Your kid is going to operate as you taught him, beginning
> long before he was old enough to be licensed.
>
> He's seen Daddy's disregard for the law and Daddy's priorities of
> maximizing throughtput over safety and Daddy's distain for drivers who
> choose to operate within the limts of their skill set. His Daddy
> doesn't need any limits placed on his driving, why should he not rebel
> against any limits Daddy imposes on him?
>
> Now... you have a child you can't trust to drive responsibly, and you
> know it.
>
> You just don't want to take responsibility for the years of driving
> examples you've set, preferring to blame horomones, lack of experience
> and immaturity. Your son is going to find the path to maturity and
> responsibility a long row to hoe...
>
> It seems fools in serious denial are in no short supply.
> -----
>
> - gpsman

It's entirely possible to drive in a safe, respectful manner and still
ignore many speed limits. In fact, it's entirely possible for
circumstances to exist where maximizing safety involves breaking the
speed limit. Should I ever spawn, I'll certainly attempt to teach my
child(ren) to drive in the safest manner possible, and set a good
example for them. This means obeying *most* traffic laws to the
letter, but sometimes out of necessity "going with the flow." While
KRETP, checking mirrors, and signalling all lane changes in advance, of
course.

nate

"N8N" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> It's entirely possible to drive in a safe, respectful manner and still
> ignore many speed limits. In fact, it's entirely possible for
> circumstances to exist where maximizing safety involves breaking the
> speed limit. Should I ever spawn, I'll certainly attempt to teach my
> child(ren) to drive in the safest manner possible, and set a good
> example for them. This means obeying *most* traffic laws to the
> letter, but sometimes out of necessity "going with the flow." While
> KRETP, checking mirrors, and signalling all lane changes in advance, of
> course.

Hmmm. I guess I just see the world and human behavior much differently than
you. Part of the problem with teenage drivers is obviously their judgment
and experience; *if* (and this is only a hypothetical "if" since it's a
dubious practice in the first place) I were going to teach my prospective
children that it's OK to violate some driving laws under the right
circumstances and in fact is safest to do so, why should I trust teenage
judgment in knowing when it's OK (or in your words "the safest manner") as
well as how much over, when it's not OK, etc?

brink

gpsman wrote:
> Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:10:33 -0400, Nate Nagel >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Holy crap, I find myself actually agreeing with gps "newbie troll of the
> > >year" man.
> >
> > Good parenting alone cannot overcome raging hormones, lack of
> > experience, and immaturity. If parents think that their teenage
> > drivers are not screwing around and taking unnecessary risks when they
> > loan the kids their vehicles, you are a fool and in serious denial.
>
> Well... it seems to me, according to you, *every* driver should strive
> to maximize throughtput and violate speed limits as a safety technique
> and take unnecessary risks in a cooperative effort to minimize your
> travel time. You see no excuse for children of other people to reduce
> their velocity or drive in a manner that doesn't match *your* supposed
> skill level. WTF makes your kid special? Why shouldn't he rocket
> around in the perfectly safe manner Daddy does? Are you forcing him to
> sloth around LA in an effort to collect his life insurance?
>
> >
> > OTOH, part of being a good parent is to set limits and to firmly but
> > fairly enforce them. And if an electronic tool helps you do that, why
> > not take advantage of it? A GPS is no different than ABS, an air bag,
> > or a cellular phone - it's an electronic device that increases the
> > safety of your children.
>
> OTOH my ass. Your kid is going to operate as you taught him, beginning
> long before he was old enough to be licensed.
>
> He's seen Daddy's disregard for the law and Daddy's priorities of
> maximizing throughtput over safety and Daddy's distain for drivers who
> choose to operate within the limts of their skill set. His Daddy
> doesn't need any limits placed on his driving, why should he not rebel
> against any limits Daddy imposes on him?
>
> Now... you have a child you can't trust to drive responsibly, and you
> know it.
>
> You just don't want to take responsibility for the years of driving
> examples you've set, preferring to blame horomones, lack of experience
> and immaturity. Your son is going to find the path to maturity and
> responsibility a long row to hoe...
>
> It seems fools in serious denial are in no short supply.
> -----
>
> - gpsman

It's entirely possible to drive in a safe, respectful manner and still
ignore many speed limits. In fact, it's entirely possible for
circumstances to exist where maximizing safety involves breaking the
speed limit. Should I ever spawn, I'll certainly attempt to teach my
child(ren) to drive in the safest manner possible, and set a good
example for them. This means obeying *most* traffic laws to the
letter, but sometimes out of necessity "going with the flow." While
KRETP, checking mirrors, and signalling all lane changes in advance, of
course.

nate