Herbie !!

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:37:02 GMT, "Tim Rogers" >
wrote:

>"johnboy" > wrote in message
...
>> "Tim Rogers" > wrote
>>
>> > ...............You lost part of your left hand from herpes? I'm afraid
>to
>> > ask what you were doing with that hand.
>>
>> I got by touching the hand of an OR tech.
>>
>>
>
>..............I was only an OR tech (part time) during part of the seventies
>while I was in college at the University of Houston. Can you say
>Perfusionist? Google it if you're curious.
>

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/nhs-kno...data/4849.html
Not so much curious as bored. :-)

> lots....first the price of even the "junkers" can/will go through the
> roof....

Yeah ... :-)

Some (at least one) of us had the forsite to stock up on a few bugs
ready for the price hype !! :-) !! :-) !!

Rich

"Tim Rogers" > wrote in message
...

> ..............I was only an OR tech (part time) during part of the
> seventies
> while I was in college at the University of Houston. Can you say
> Perfusionist?

Seems to me you have a recording future for our blonde friends - a tiny
device that fits in their whispering, "breathe in, and now out", over and
over.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:26:51 GMT, tricky >
wrote:

>
>
>> lots....first the price of even the "junkers" can/will go through the
>> roof....
>
>Yeah ... :-)
>
>Some (at least one) of us had the forsite to stock up on a few bugs
>ready for the price hype !! :-) !! :-) !!
>
>Rich

I'm Still holdin a couple of good ones (anyone looking for and
overpriced Beele?)




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Joey Tribiani wrote:
> "Remco" > wrote in message
>
> I don't get this hating on Herbie:
> > Here's a movie that draws some attention to this hobby - What could
> > possibly be wrong with that?
>
>
> lots....first the price of even the "junkers" can/will go through the
> roof....and when the market is there the aftermarket's parts prices will go
> up too....that is the best part...the worst part? how about another wave of
> butchered up, hacked up, and generally ****ed over cars left behind when the
> new "enthusiasts" decide its not fun anymore...

Well, if we extrapolate that thought, it should then be in our interest
that we do _not_ attract any new people:

Eventually there will just be a few people interested and there will be
plenty of parts for all three of them, if that thought was true. We
know that isn't true:
Since no one ever became interested in bugs, no one ever saved parts,
no one saved old cars, no one could continue to stay in business (guys
like aircooled.net, etc). You need people to support any niche hobby.
In reality, the prices of parts will go up because there will be less
of them.

So to not attract new people is clearly a defective thought. It is in
our selfish interest to have more of us out there.

I seriously doubt that there will be a huge rush on bugs so prices will
not go up appeciably - it is just a movie. I.e. how many Torinos did
you see after the "Starsky and Hutch" movie came out? None, right?
Prices on solid bugs have been insane long before this movie was even
mentioned.

It is a nice thing to see some of the clubs get together. Maybe they'll
get a couple of people interested when they hang out, but that's about
it.

"Remco" > wrote in message
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> Well, if we extrapolate that thought, it should then be in our interest
> that we do _not_ attract any new people:

you draw the wrong conclusion from my post..that is *not* what i intended
with my reply....attracting new people is a must(in part due to the
overly-hypothetical examples you give below), however you want to attract
the "right" kind of people....just as an example do a little googling on
Dalmatian dogs. Disney released their 101 dalmatians movie and within months
animal shelters across the US were over-run with Dalmatians....i realize
Dalmatians are dogs and VW's are cars, but both can be impulse purchases
based on "cute-ness"...
>
> Eventually there will just be a few people interested and there will be
> plenty of parts for all three of them, if that thought was true. We
> know that isn't true:
> Since no one ever became interested in bugs, no one ever saved parts,
> no one saved old cars, no one could continue to stay in business (guys
> like aircooled.net, etc). You need people to support any niche hobby.
> In reality, the prices of parts will go up because there will be less
> of them.
>
> So to not attract new people is clearly a defective thought. It is in
> our selfish interest to have more of us out there.

see above, and to add to it, "more" is not in our best interests....because
as i said the prices may run most of the long time enthusiasts away...it
would be great for actually getting some of your money back on one you have
already *done*, however it would/could be just too expensive(in some's eyes)
to purchase and properly restore/modify/customize a "new" one...then we can
have all the *real* enthusiasts sitting back, sick to their stomachs,
watching all the butchered, FUBAR'd cars hit the market for top dollar(even
though they are junk product)....you don't really want the market full of
vw's like the bus they "pimped" on MTV do ya?

>
> I seriously doubt that there will be a huge rush on bugs so prices will
> not go up appeciably - it is just a movie. I.e. how many Torinos did
> you see after the "Starsky and Hutch" movie came out? None, right?
> Prices on solid bugs have been insane long before this movie was even
> mentioned.

Ford sold a **** load of torinos in the red and white paint scheme after
that movie....as far a the prices being "insane" long before the movie, just
check back to before 1998 when they introduced the "new beetle" and see how
the prices JUMPED.... "fads", etc, DO affect the "market" whether we want to
believe it or not....and these cars are not being made anymore so the
likelyhood of some commonly available parts(oem, etc) becoming more scarce
is real...add to that more and more cars deemed "parts cars" being chopped
up and parted out, then a rush of new "enthusiasts" that are really only
interested in the novelty of the vw, and it can become rediculous . this is
of course just my thoughts on the subject, and what has happened in the
past...who here hasn't picked up a "basketcase" that someone bought with
"good intentions" then proceded to **** it all up? i know i have...
>
> It is a nice thing to see some of the clubs get together. Maybe they'll
> get a couple of people interested when they hang out, but that's about
> it.
>

Fad-driven buyers are the worst kind. This version of the movie features a
teenage girl, so expect a rush of harried Dads and boyfriends, then 18
months later a whole bunch of butchered wrecks back on the market along with
the usual litany of badmouthing.

Someone would make out well by selling poseur trailers and vinyl decals.

"johnboy" > wrote in message
...
> Fad-driven buyers are the worst kind. This version of the movie features a
> teenage girl, so expect a rush of harried Dads and boyfriends, then 18
> months later a whole bunch of butchered wrecks back on the market along
> with the usual litany of badmouthing.
>
> Someone would make out well by selling poseur trailers and vinyl decals.
>
>
>

"zactly"

I guess we're both agreeing but saying it differently:

> Well, if we extrapolate that thought, it should then be in our interest
> > that we do _not_ attract any new people:
>
> you draw the wrong conclusion from my post..that is *not* what i intended
> with my reply....attracting new people is a must(in part due to the
> overly-hypothetical examples you give below), however you want to attract
> the "right" kind of people....just as an example do a little googling on
> Dalmatian dogs. Disney released their 101 dalmatians movie and within months
> animal shelters across the US were over-run with Dalmatians....i realize
> Dalmatians are dogs and VW's are cars, but both can be impulse purchases
> based on "cute-ness"...

That's true regarding the puppies -- a friend of mine is involved very
heavily with animal rescue and mentioned that as well. Very sad when
people abandon animals they bought on a whim.

I think after people figure out what's involved maintaining a bug
properly, they'll back off pretty quickly unless they are seriously
interested.
It takes a lot of research, acquiring skills, busted knuckels and
actual work to just know one's ass from a hole in the ground so maybe
all this work will be the filter of attracting the right people.
(That's not to say I know my ass from a hole in the ground yet when it
comes to bugs: currently working on replacing heater channels/floors so
may know a couple of years from now what a hole in the ground actually
looks like. My busted knuckes are my badges of honor

> >
> > Eventually there will just be a few people interested and there will be
> > plenty of parts for all three of them, if that thought was true. We
> > know that isn't true:
> > Since no one ever became interested in bugs, no one ever saved parts,
> > no one saved old cars, no one could continue to stay in business (guys
> > like aircooled.net, etc). You need people to support any niche hobby.
> > In reality, the prices of parts will go up because there will be less
> > of them.
> >
> > So to not attract new people is clearly a defective thought. It is in
> > our selfish interest to have more of us out there.
>
> see above, and to add to it, "more" is not in our best interests....because
> as i said the prices may run most of the long time enthusiasts away...it
> would be great for actually getting some of your money back on one you have
> already *done*, however it would/could be just too expensive(in some's eyes)
> to purchase and properly restore/modify/customize a "new" one...then we can
> have all the *real* enthusiasts sitting back, sick to their stomachs,
> watching all the butchered, FUBAR'd cars hit the market for top dollar(even
> though they are junk product)....you don't really want the market full of
> vw's like the bus they "pimped" on MTV do ya?
>

Yeah, agree that more is not really better out of my own experience:
When I was a kid, was involved with pirate radio (a big thing in europe
in the 60/70s) and became legitimate after growing up (still kinda fun
in a nerdy sort of way although the cat and mouse element was gone).
When the ham clubs/organizations became active pursuers of new blood,
that hobby took a nosedive because standards were lowered. At that
time, that was lost on me and actually taught a bunch of
electronic/morse code/equipment repair classes over a period of years.
Most new people have not clue as to how to do the most basic of
technical things and being totally not interested in learning about it
all -- finally being sick to my stomach, I abadoned something enjoyed
since I was 7 years old.

Again, the literal pain and pocket book strain involved of getting a
bug back on the road properly will act as a filter.

We also don't have standards to lower (a shot in front of open goal
there

Lurking ramva over the years, there are some seriously technical people
(including yourself) here that will make sure the right people get what
they need. You all have been great at helping newbies like myself so
"thanks!" on behalf of all newbies.

> >
> > I seriously doubt that there will be a huge rush on bugs so prices will
> > not go up appeciably - it is just a movie. I.e. how many Torinos did
> > you see after the "Starsky and Hutch" movie came out? None, right?
> > Prices on solid bugs have been insane long before this movie was even
> > mentioned.
>
> Ford sold a **** load of torinos in the red and white paint scheme after
> that movie....as far a the prices being "insane" long before the movie, just
> check back to before 1998 when they introduced the "new beetle" and see how
> the prices JUMPED.... "fads", etc, DO affect the "market" whether we want to
> believe it or not....and these cars are not being made anymore so the
> likelyhood of some commonly available parts(oem, etc) becoming more scarce
> is real...add to that more and more cars deemed "parts cars" being chopped
> up and parted out, then a rush of new "enthusiasts" that are really only
> interested in the novelty of the vw, and it can become rediculous . this is
> of course just my thoughts on the subject, and what has happened in the
> past...who here hasn't picked up a "basketcase" that someone bought with
> "good intentions" then proceded to **** it all up? i know i have...
>

I stand corrected there, although have never seen one of them Red/White
Torinos here in new England. Did we have a rush on old school Torinos?
I've been goint to cruise nights for years all over CT and never seen
one with the starsky/hutch paint scheme. Maybe that's a local appeal or
lack thereof.

Your point is well taken and have history backing it up, though: bug
prices have gone up over the years. I was always under the impression
this was because there are less and less parts available, but you might
be right.

Funny enough, I liked bugs since I saw the first Herbie movie. Growing
up in western Europe, everyone had bugs in the 60s.
It did take me this long to actually own and work on one but wasn't
always in a position to actually do the work on it (family obligations,
work, lack of funds, home maintenance, other hobbies, priorities, etc).
So that was my filter.
Until I finally found one, I worked on Saabs, Subarus, Hondas and
Nissans -- usually out of necessity. They are all nice cars but never
had the appeal of a bug to me.

It's the same basic event that occurred after the "Fast and Furious" movies
were out.
Lots of Rice running the roads with a few true custom upgraded cars.
However, those are still out there and it's still the hottest thing to do
for a teenager.

Yuck.

Susan S.


"Remco" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I guess we're both agreeing but saying it differently:
>
> > Well, if we extrapolate that thought, it should then be in our interest
> > > that we do _not_ attract any new people:
> >
> > you draw the wrong conclusion from my post..that is *not* what i
intended
> > with my reply....attracting new people is a must(in part due to the
> > overly-hypothetical examples you give below), however you want to
attract
> > the "right" kind of people....just as an example do a little googling on
> > Dalmatian dogs. Disney released their 101 dalmatians movie and within
months
> > animal shelters across the US were over-run with Dalmatians....i realize
> > Dalmatians are dogs and VW's are cars, but both can be impulse purchases
> > based on "cute-ness"...
>
> That's true regarding the puppies -- a friend of mine is involved very
> heavily with animal rescue and mentioned that as well. Very sad when
> people abandon animals they bought on a whim.
>
> I think after people figure out what's involved maintaining a bug
> properly, they'll back off pretty quickly unless they are seriously
> interested.
> It takes a lot of research, acquiring skills, busted knuckels and
> actual work to just know one's ass from a hole in the ground so maybe
> all this work will be the filter of attracting the right people.
> (That's not to say I know my ass from a hole in the ground yet when it
> comes to bugs: currently working on replacing heater channels/floors so
> may know a couple of years from now what a hole in the ground actually
> looks like. My busted knuckes are my badges of honor
>
> > >
> > > Eventually there will just be a few people interested and there will
be
> > > plenty of parts for all three of them, if that thought was true. We
> > > know that isn't true:
> > > Since no one ever became interested in bugs, no one ever saved parts,
> > > no one saved old cars, no one could continue to stay in business (guys
> > > like aircooled.net, etc). You need people to support any niche hobby.
> > > In reality, the prices of parts will go up because there will be less
> > > of them.
> > >
> > > So to not attract new people is clearly a defective thought. It is in
> > > our selfish interest to have more of us out there.
> >
> > see above, and to add to it, "more" is not in our best
interests....because
> > as i said the prices may run most of the long time enthusiasts away...it
> > would be great for actually getting some of your money back on one you
have
> > already *done*, however it would/could be just too expensive(in some's
eyes)
> > to purchase and properly restore/modify/customize a "new" one...then we
can
> > have all the *real* enthusiasts sitting back, sick to their stomachs,
> > watching all the butchered, FUBAR'd cars hit the market for top
dollar(even
> > though they are junk product)....you don't really want the market full
of
> > vw's like the bus they "pimped" on MTV do ya?
> >
>
> Yeah, agree that more is not really better out of my own experience:
> When I was a kid, was involved with pirate radio (a big thing in europe
> in the 60/70s) and became legitimate after growing up (still kinda fun
> in a nerdy sort of way although the cat and mouse element was gone).
> When the ham clubs/organizations became active pursuers of new blood,
> that hobby took a nosedive because standards were lowered. At that
> time, that was lost on me and actually taught a bunch of
> electronic/morse code/equipment repair classes over a period of years.
> Most new people have not clue as to how to do the most basic of
> technical things and being totally not interested in learning about it
> all -- finally being sick to my stomach, I abadoned something enjoyed
> since I was 7 years old.
>
> Again, the literal pain and pocket book strain involved of getting a
> bug back on the road properly will act as a filter.
>
> We also don't have standards to lower (a shot in front of open goal
> there
>
> Lurking ramva over the years, there are some seriously technical people
> (including yourself) here that will make sure the right people get what
> they need. You all have been great at helping newbies like myself so
> "thanks!" on behalf of all newbies.
>
> > >
> > > I seriously doubt that there will be a huge rush on bugs so prices
will
> > > not go up appeciably - it is just a movie. I.e. how many Torinos did
> > > you see after the "Starsky and Hutch" movie came out? None, right?
> > > Prices on solid bugs have been insane long before this movie was even
> > > mentioned.
> >
> > Ford sold a **** load of torinos in the red and white paint scheme after
> > that movie....as far a the prices being "insane" long before the movie,
just
> > check back to before 1998 when they introduced the "new beetle" and see
how
> > the prices JUMPED.... "fads", etc, DO affect the "market" whether we
want to
> > believe it or not....and these cars are not being made anymore so the
> > likelyhood of some commonly available parts(oem, etc) becoming more
scarce
> > is real...add to that more and more cars deemed "parts cars" being
chopped
> > up and parted out, then a rush of new "enthusiasts" that are really only
> > interested in the novelty of the vw, and it can become rediculous . this
is
> > of course just my thoughts on the subject, and what has happened in the
> > past...who here hasn't picked up a "basketcase" that someone bought with
> > "good intentions" then proceded to **** it all up? i know i have...
> >
>
> I stand corrected there, although have never seen one of them Red/White
> Torinos here in new England. Did we have a rush on old school Torinos?
> I've been goint to cruise nights for years all over CT and never seen
> one with the starsky/hutch paint scheme. Maybe that's a local appeal or
> lack thereof.
>
> Your point is well taken and have history backing it up, though: bug
> prices have gone up over the years. I was always under the impression
> this was because there are less and less parts available, but you might
> be right.
>
> Funny enough, I liked bugs since I saw the first Herbie movie. Growing
> up in western Europe, everyone had bugs in the 60s.
> It did take me this long to actually own and work on one but wasn't
> always in a position to actually do the work on it (family obligations,
> work, lack of funds, home maintenance, other hobbies, priorities, etc).
> So that was my filter.
> Until I finally found one, I worked on Saabs, Subarus, Hondas and
> Nissans -- usually out of necessity. They are all nice cars but never
> had the appeal of a bug to me.
>