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What is the minimum size pickup to haul 2.5 tons of water?
On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:46:02 AM UTC-5, Kevin Bottorff wrote:
> "Steve W." > wrote in > > : > > > > > Danny D. wrote: > > >> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:01:00 +0000 (UTC), Kevin Bottorff wrote: > > >> > > >>> you can use a 3/4 ton pkup fine. I use a tonner for 500 gal. > > >>> sprayer > > >>> with no problems. the important thing about weight is speed and > > >>> tires. you will have to have tires with the proper weight rating and > > >>> drive slow, not over 40 to 45 and you will have no problems. > > >>> (remember corners are at a crawl). If you just have to go faster, > > >>> you will need much more truck to safely do it. > > >> > > >> This is very good news that a 3/4 ton pickup will suffice for 2.5 > > >> tons of water! > > >> > > >> BTW, when they say "3/4 ton", what do they actually mean? > > >> Do they mean what it's supposed to carry normally, all day, every > > >> day? Can that weight be on a trailer? > > >> Or is it only in the bed? > > >> > > >> As for tires, that makes sense since they have a load-bearing limit. > > >> Driving slowly is not a problem because we have to go a few miles up > > >> a 9% continuous grade for a few miles of windy road. Nobody is going > > >> over 20mph on that road! > > >> > > >> We're just going from a local SJWC fire hydrant at the bottom of the > > >> hill to houses at the top, which is at most 5 miles away one way, so > > >> the round trip is 10 miles at 20mph for each load. (We would pump the > > >> water out of the truck into the top of the water tank, which are > > >> generally 5,000 gallons each, so it takes about 15 trips to fully > > >> fill up one household). > > >> https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3835/1...b1b7b947_b.jpg > > > > > > > > > An F250 or GM2500 ton won't last very long hauling that much weight. > > > Notice that he uses a 1 ton (F350 / GM 3500 / Dodge 3500)for a 500 > > > gallon spray tank, BUT you don't use spray tanks like you will be > > > using your water tank, and you have about 1000 pounds in extra water > > > over the 500 gallons. > > > > > > Also if the tank pictured is the one you plan to use you can't use a > > > P/U anyway. It won't fit in the bed between the wheel wells. > > > > > > > > > So you need either something with a flat bed OR a trailer. Or a > > > purpose built hauler. > > > > > > You also may want to check with the DMV on the requirements on an > > > older fire engine. You won't be using it as a fire truck and may not > > > need to have a CDL to operate it as a not for hire vehicle. Not sure > > > where you are in Cali. but you can operate a vehicle up to 26,000 > > > pounds GVW without a CDL. and many older fire engines fall under that > > > rating! Speaking from experience as a fireman here in NY. If you were > > > out here my FD has one you could buy cheap. BUT the gas to drive it > > > out there would probably cover the national debt! > > > > > > > > > My neighbor hauls water in a purpose built trailer. > > > > > > He started with a tank like this one > > > http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...e-tank-525-gal > > > on a small dump style trailer like this. > > > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/for/4557408155.html > > > He mounted the pump on the back. > > > > > > His current trailer is like this one > > > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/hvo/4513045185.html > > > And he has a 1,000 gallon tank like this > > > http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...-tank-1025-gal > > > on it. > > > > > > He bought the tank new and the trailer used. He also had to get > > > certified by the state to haul potable water and the new tank was a > > > BIG help with that as they wanted proof that it had never hauled > > > anything "bad". > > > > > > Nice thing with a trailer is that you can just park it out of the way > > > when not needed. You just need to watch out how heavy it is. Anything > > > over 10,000 pounds also requires a CDL. > > > > > > You may want to consider your tank on a purpose built trailer. If you > > > figure you fill it with 625 gallons you have 5,200 pounds of water, > > > Tank weight of around 120-150 pounds. You are in the 5,400 pound area. > > > Add in a trailer and your around 8,000 pounds. > > > > > > Or look at these for an idea. > > > http://www.water-storage-containers....erstorage.html > > > Their 800 gallon unit has a GVW of 9200 pounds. > > > > > > > > > If it was me I'd hunt up a medium duty truck, either an old fire > > > tanker, ex military 2.5 ton (M35A3, M44 or M1078 series)or common > > > cargo truck like a GM top kick or Ford F650/750 series. Paint WATER > > > and not for hire on it, add a tank and register it at 24,000 pounds > > > and start hauling water. > > > > > > What would be ideal would be to find an M-50 water tanker. They have a > > > 1000 gallon baffled tank. > > > http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m50water.php > > > > > > > > > > He won`t have any trouble hauling 500 gal with a 3/4 ton pkup if the > > speed is kept down. My spray rig alone is more than 1000 lbs heaver than > > a simple 500 gal tank. and I have used mine for over 15 years doing much > > harder work spraying in the field than any road hauling would be. tires > > will be more of a concern than anything else. now that said 300 gal tank > > in the pkup and 500 on a trailer would be more efficient use of trips. > > KB What about a good old farm tractor? |
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What is the minimum size pickup to haul 2.5 tons of water?
JR > wrote in
: > On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:46:02 AM UTC-5, Kevin Bottorff wrote: >> "Steve W." > wrote in >> >> : >> >> >> >> > Danny D. wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:01:00 +0000 (UTC), Kevin Bottorff wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> you can use a 3/4 ton pkup fine. I use a tonner for 500 gal. >> >> >>> sprayer >> >> >>> with no problems. the important thing about weight is speed and >> >> >>> tires. you will have to have tires with the proper weight rating >> >>> and >> >> >>> drive slow, not over 40 to 45 and you will have no problems. >> >> >>> (remember corners are at a crawl). If you just have to go >> >>> faster, >> >> >>> you will need much more truck to safely do it. >> >> >> >> >> >> This is very good news that a 3/4 ton pickup will suffice for 2.5 >> >> >> tons of water! >> >> >> >> >> >> BTW, when they say "3/4 ton", what do they actually mean? >> >> >> Do they mean what it's supposed to carry normally, all day, every >> >> >> day? Can that weight be on a trailer? >> >> >> Or is it only in the bed? >> >> >> >> >> >> As for tires, that makes sense since they have a load-bearing >> >> limit. >> >> >> Driving slowly is not a problem because we have to go a few miles >> >> up >> >> >> a 9% continuous grade for a few miles of windy road. Nobody is >> >> going >> >> >> over 20mph on that road! >> >> >> >> >> >> We're just going from a local SJWC fire hydrant at the bottom of >> >> the >> >> >> hill to houses at the top, which is at most 5 miles away one way, >> >> so >> >> >> the round trip is 10 miles at 20mph for each load. (We would pump >> >> the >> >> >> water out of the truck into the top of the water tank, which are >> >> >> generally 5,000 gallons each, so it takes about 15 trips to fully >> >> >> fill up one household). >> >> >> https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3835/1...b1b7b947_b.jpg >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > An F250 or GM2500 ton won't last very long hauling that much >> > weight. >> >> > Notice that he uses a 1 ton (F350 / GM 3500 / Dodge 3500)for a 500 >> >> > gallon spray tank, BUT you don't use spray tanks like you will be >> >> > using your water tank, and you have about 1000 pounds in extra >> > water >> >> > over the 500 gallons. >> >> > >> >> > Also if the tank pictured is the one you plan to use you can't use >> > a >> >> > P/U anyway. It won't fit in the bed between the wheel wells. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > So you need either something with a flat bed OR a trailer. Or a >> >> > purpose built hauler. >> >> > >> >> > You also may want to check with the DMV on the requirements on an >> >> > older fire engine. You won't be using it as a fire truck and may >> > not >> >> > need to have a CDL to operate it as a not for hire vehicle. Not >> > sure >> >> > where you are in Cali. but you can operate a vehicle up to 26,000 >> >> > pounds GVW without a CDL. and many older fire engines fall under >> > that >> >> > rating! Speaking from experience as a fireman here in NY. If you >> > were >> >> > out here my FD has one you could buy cheap. BUT the gas to drive it >> >> > out there would probably cover the national debt! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > My neighbor hauls water in a purpose built trailer. >> >> > >> >> > He started with a tank like this one >> >> > http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...e-tank-525-gal >> >> > on a small dump style trailer like this. >> >> > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/for/4557408155.html >> >> > He mounted the pump on the back. >> >> > >> >> > His current trailer is like this one >> >> > http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/hvo/4513045185.html >> >> > And he has a 1,000 gallon tank like this >> >> > http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...e-tank-1025-ga >> > l >> >> > on it. >> >> > >> >> > He bought the tank new and the trailer used. He also had to get >> >> > certified by the state to haul potable water and the new tank was a >> >> > BIG help with that as they wanted proof that it had never hauled >> >> > anything "bad". >> >> > >> >> > Nice thing with a trailer is that you can just park it out of the >> > way >> >> > when not needed. You just need to watch out how heavy it is. >> > Anything >> >> > over 10,000 pounds also requires a CDL. >> >> > >> >> > You may want to consider your tank on a purpose built trailer. If >> > you >> >> > figure you fill it with 625 gallons you have 5,200 pounds of water, >> >> > Tank weight of around 120-150 pounds. You are in the 5,400 pound >> > area. >> >> > Add in a trailer and your around 8,000 pounds. >> >> > >> >> > Or look at these for an idea. >> >> > http://www.water-storage-containers....erstorage.html >> >> > Their 800 gallon unit has a GVW of 9200 pounds. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > If it was me I'd hunt up a medium duty truck, either an old fire >> >> > tanker, ex military 2.5 ton (M35A3, M44 or M1078 series)or common >> >> > cargo truck like a GM top kick or Ford F650/750 series. Paint WATER >> >> > and not for hire on it, add a tank and register it at 24,000 pounds >> >> > and start hauling water. >> >> > >> >> > What would be ideal would be to find an M-50 water tanker. They >> > have a >> >> > 1000 gallon baffled tank. >> >> > http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m50water.php >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> He won`t have any trouble hauling 500 gal with a 3/4 ton pkup if the >> >> speed is kept down. My spray rig alone is more than 1000 lbs heaver >> than >> >> a simple 500 gal tank. and I have used mine for over 15 years doing >> much >> >> harder work spraying in the field than any road hauling would be. >> tires >> >> will be more of a concern than anything else. now that said 300 gal >> tank >> >> in the pkup and 500 on a trailer would be more efficient use of >> trips. >> >> KB > > What about a good old farm tractor? > with a tractor and trailer he could easily haul up to 2000 gal at a time, uphill. downhill it wouldn`t have the brakes to do safely unless the trailer had brakes too. KB |
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