Reminder Mountain Drivers--Pull Over

I experienced an extremely aggravating situation coming down State Road 77
from Globe to Winkleman to Tucson in Arizona. That is of course the dreaded
"parade" scenario--one driver going about 20 mph on a curvy mountain road
stubbornly refusing to pull over to let others buy. The length of cars was
over 50.

This is a reminder--you have no moral right to do this. Your moral
obligation is to move over. You are NOT there to experience the scenery at
everyone else's expense. Just because you want to drive 20 mph and eat up an
entire afternoon does not mean everyone else wants to. How DARE you impose.

I do not know if AZ is one of the states that tickets for this. Frankly,
even if it is, I don't think the penalty is high enough. I am THIS close to
saying that for 2nd offenses it should be a felony, with 5 years of jail as
a possible punishment. Maybe that's going overboard, but certainly--this is
a VERY hugely aggravating situation for dozens of people involved stuck
behind these drivers, and the message needs to be delivered--we're not going
to tolerate it. You need to remember, your desire to "smell the roses" and
your assertion that I need to do the same NEVER excuses this outrageous
behavior. Those pull-out exits are there for a reason--use it.

I dare say--if someone is being bull-headed about it and won't move, I'd
love to see a "fall guy" situation occur--where the car immediately behind
decides for the sake of all behind him/her to physically rear-end and
physically damage the offender. You know, "take one for the team." Naturally
of course that is a lot to ask--and honestly, I wouldn't. But wouldn't it be
great to see the message delivered that emphatically that we're not going to
tolerate this nonsense?

Of course, if the police would target this situation much more aggressively
rather than the petty crap like someone going 40 mph in a 35 mph zone (where
35mph is too slow anyway), if these people were made to be held accountable
for this nonsense--we wouldn't need or even want "fall guys." More than
that, if people wouldn't commit this atrocity to being with, better still.

LRH

"Larry R Harrison Jr" > wrote in message
news:Xw2ne.5971$fp.4525@fed1read05...
>I experienced an extremely aggravating situation coming down State Road 77
>from Globe to Winkleman to Tucson in Arizona. That is of course the dreaded
>"parade" scenario--one driver going about 20 mph on a curvy mountain road
>stubbornly refusing to pull over to let others buy. The length of cars was
>over 50.
>
> This is a reminder--you have no moral right to do this. Your moral
> obligation is to move over. You are NOT there to experience the scenery at
> everyone else's expense. Just because you want to drive 20 mph and eat up
> an entire afternoon does not mean everyone else wants to. How DARE you
> impose.
>
> I do not know if AZ is one of the states that tickets for this. Frankly,
> even if it is, I don't think the penalty is high enough. I am THIS close
> to saying that for 2nd offenses it should be a felony, with 5 years of
> jail as a possible punishment. Maybe that's going overboard, but
> certainly--this is a VERY hugely aggravating situation for dozens of
> people involved stuck behind these drivers, and the message needs to be
> delivered--we're not going to tolerate it. You need to remember, your
> desire to "smell the roses" and your assertion that I need to do the same
> NEVER excuses this outrageous behavior. Those pull-out exits are there for
> a reason--use it.
>
> I dare say--if someone is being bull-headed about it and won't move, I'd
> love to see a "fall guy" situation occur--where the car immediately behind
> decides for the sake of all behind him/her to physically rear-end and
> physically damage the offender. You know, "take one for the team."
> Naturally of course that is a lot to ask--and honestly, I wouldn't. But
> wouldn't it be great to see the message delivered that emphatically that
> we're not going to tolerate this nonsense?
>
> Of course, if the police would target this situation much more
> aggressively rather than the petty crap like someone going 40 mph in a 35
> mph zone (where 35mph is too slow anyway), if these people were made to be
> held accountable for this nonsense--we wouldn't need or even want "fall
> guys." More than that, if people wouldn't commit this atrocity to being
> with, better still.

your over-the-top venting aside (and i don't blame you, that can be pretty
aggravating ;-) )...

i agree with you... that kind of driving is the kind of unbelieveably
selfish, me-first attitude that unfortunately mars much of human social
behavior. the car provides a nice insulation that normal person-to-person
contact simply wouldn't allow. there is little that one can do except to
demand through honking, light flashing, etc, for the person in front to pull
out.

on the other hand, i do think a lot of the little courtesies that drivers
extend each other tend to get overlooked... i think there is more courtesy
than rudeness, it's just that the courtesy is easily forgotten while the
rudeness is hard to let go, especially in a case as blatant as yours.

i feel badly for people who *live* in those places (and don't drive up and
down once a year on vacation) like the mountain communities north of san
bernardino. i've talked to many locals up there who *despise* the
"flatlanders" and their road-hogging ways. they have to drive those roads
*each day* for work!

brink

Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:

<<aggravating tale of pokey drivers with 50 cars behind them snipped
for brevity>>

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I hear ya! Amen brother!!

Here in California I believe it's actually a LAW and the number of cars
is 5 -- if there's 5 cars behind ya because you are being a slow-poke
you need to pull over (when it's safe, of course) and let the others
pass you. Of course, more than half the time, these half-wits don't do
that and it annoys the holy bejeezus out of me. I drive to the
mountains **a lot** to visit family, and I always run into this. I'm
thinking execution might be called for ... you were way too lenient in
your sentencing for their offenses, Larry! :-)

Ursula.

Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
> I experienced an extremely aggravating situation coming down State Road 77
> from Globe to Winkleman to Tucson in Arizona. That is of course the dreaded
> "parade" scenario--one driver going about 20 mph on a curvy mountain road
> stubbornly refusing to pull over to let others buy. The length of cars was
> over 50.
>
> This is a reminder--you have no moral right to do this. Your moral
> obligation is to move over. You are NOT there to experience the scenery at
> everyone else's expense. Just because you want to drive 20 mph and eat up an
> entire afternoon does not mean everyone else wants to. How DARE you impose.

You didn't say what the posted SL is. You said this occured on a "curvy
mountain road" so 20 mph is probably the posted SL and the correct one.
You are a psychopath for getting unglued at people who simply want to
drive safely and legally.

> You didn't say what the posted SL is. You said this occured on a "curvy
> mountain road" so 20 mph is probably the posted SL and the correct one.
> You are a psychopath for getting unglued at people who simply want to
> drive safely and legally.
>

I grew up in the mountains, driving on curvy mountain roads. I've never
seen a speed limit as low as 20MPH unless it was in a school zone where
psychopaths drive 41MPH. The MFFY in the original post was not driving
safely, nor legally. -Dave

"Judy Pride Of Aunt Millie's Diarrhea murdered his turd tamper" spewed,
sprayed, and otherwise expelled the following fecal matter:

> Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
> > I experienced an extremely aggravating situation coming down State Road 77
> > from Globe to Winkleman to Tucson in Arizona. That is of course the dreaded
> > "parade" scenario--one driver going about 20 mph on a curvy mountain road
> > stubbornly refusing to pull over to let others buy. The length of cars was
> > over 50.
> >
> > This is a reminder--you have no moral right to do this. Your moral
> > obligation is to move over. You are NOT there to experience the scenery at
> > everyone else's expense. Just because you want to drive 20 mph and eat up an
> > entire afternoon does not mean everyone else wants to. How DARE you impose.
>
> You didn't say what the posted SL is. You said this occured on a "curvy
> mountain road" so 20 mph is probably the posted SL and the correct one.

Odd, the mountains around here have much higher posted limits. Oddly
enough, though the terrain doesn't change much, the speed limits in one
state seem to be 10mph higher for the same type of terrain as in the
neighboring states. This is strange as the bulk of the mountains, as
far as the two states mentioned are concerned, are in the state with
the higher limits. So much for fairly and scientifically set speed
limits

> You are a psychopath for getting unglued at people who simply want to
> drive safely and legally.

And you're a retard for believing that everyone is as stupid as you
are, and have to drive their vehicles at retardedly low speeds to
maintain control of them.

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Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend )'s words of
wisdom, love, and respect (spelling and grammatical errors left intact)

What is the P&G logo?. I just went to their WS and didn't see any.
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Hey stupid. I told you the other day to stop using the phrase
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There's not a shred of evidence that the jerries murdered anything
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All his amnesty talk puzzled me because most conservatives are
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You're crazy. There will be a draft. Bush is gonna stage another 9-11
type event and then say we have no choice but to go to war against
every muslim nation. And democrats will say nothing.
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Put AEOS on the list too. It came out with great earnings and guidance
today and yet went down 7% on very heavy volume. When a stock sells off
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You are an ignoramus. 9-11 was an inside job. That's for sure.
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Fork the dictionary. You've got your definitions and we've got ours.
You prolly also think that when laura bush blew a stop sign and crashed
into and killed her former BF, that it was just an "accident". HAHA
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The issue is the psychopath doing 60 mph OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!. This
guy is a murderer and i want him locked up anyway they can do it. Three
cheers for the cops.

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Market economy???? HAHAHAHA. Prices are whatever the monopolists want
to charge.
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If you speed loons would just slow down we wouldn't have a problem.
drive them until the holes get too big for that tire-in-a-can stuff to
work. Then do what I do and go to pep boys and get a set of used
retreads for $50 and repeat.
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Fork you, beyatch. I'm the greatest troll that ever lived!!!! I'm the
world's champ at infuriating all these pschopathic car loonies. HAHAHA
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Screw driver training and courtesy.
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The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the govt; it's a group of
private banks and borrowing from them means the taxpayers have to pay
the interest to the banks. This has been going on for nearly a hundred
years and it's just stealing from the public and giving to the bankers.
JUST PRINT THE DAMN MONEY.
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I'm not talking about increasing the money supply; just replacing
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I know what you mean, dood. I did 5 years in the can myself for beating
the crap out of a half-dozen faggot gun loonies i caught raping a
collie and I couldn't handle the food either. Goddam beets with every
meal. Ended up eating nothing but cans of tuna i bought at the commy.
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I don't think knife bans will ever happen, since knives are so damn
easy to make. I remember when i was in prison for beating up a dozen
gun loonies and we used to melt down a thousand or so aspirin tablets
into a thick goo and then let it harden into a knife shape which we
sharpened against the concrete floor. Anybody can make a knife anywhere
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Hey dood. I've been a US senator since 98! You mean you didn't know
that???
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I never voted in my life, you lying whore. All elections are rigged.
The globalists rigged this one by paying kerry not to attack bush.
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GODDAMMIT - STOP SENDING MESSAGES TO MORE THAN FIVE GROUPS
Google won't allow more than five. It's not my job to delete excessive
group listings but i seem to spend half my life doing that. OBEY THE
RULES, YOU BUTTHOLES!!!!
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I am not paid to delete the excessive newsgroups you clowns are posting
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Tires don't blow out anymore.
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Bush is dictator and that means he has to take the blame for
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Has he killed as many people as Laura Bush?
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You don't know what you're talking about, dood. AIDS is an american
bioweapon developed by americans so that blacks would be esp
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She knows it won't matter. Blake is white so the media will insist on a
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YOu stupid lying ****head. All bush has accomplished in AFG is to make
it the world's leading heroin supplier.
And BTW it wasn't a war. It was a massacre against a defenseless nation
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She's just damn lucky the press is owned by the GOP and doesn't crucify
her for vehicular manslaughter like they've done to ted kennedy for 35
years.
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I'm saying that bush obviously doesn't want to catch OBL. Not now that
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That's why so many legal scholars think republicans should be banned
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Wouldn't have mattered if hitty had one. He took his orders from the
same organization that roosevelt did and bush does today.

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You can't even lie any good. No where in the country are cops issued
crown victorias.
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i'm sure jeffrey dahmer also objects to big daddy govt telling him he
can't kill people anymore.

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At first i thought the tars had been slashed but no, the tars were fine
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I hate cell phone drivers but at least this gal had the sense to drive
slowly while yakking.
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Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch
could be 25, i thought. Turns out the cop was right. No complaints from
me then. I should have known the law.
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( the following contains part of one of Judy's posts, which would not
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>>>Of course, they're anti-safety devices!!! Why would anyone think
>>>otherwise, loonball???. I wish you'd get off this board - you make us
>>>intelligent anti-speeders look bad. Plus, URALOON.
>>I think you've got it backwards with regards to who's more radical.
>>Why do you use a handle that's clearly mimicking a bodily function?
>>C.T.
> That's my real name and i'm proud of it. It's pronounced diarrhrea.
> Got it? So many loons in school made fun of me!!!
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> That's the way it should be. In fact even having a RD in your car
>should result in mandatory and permanent loss of DL. Why do you need a
>device whose only function is to help you commit a crime that murders
>thousands of americans a year. URAPSYCHOPATH
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Straw man???? If you saw some black guy on crack with a gun, you'd go
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We don't need safer cars and roads. The incredible highway carnage is
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HUH??? The cops plant the gun on him and you still say he deserved 55
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In article ws.net>,
Ted B. > wrote:
>> You didn't say what the posted SL is. You said this occured on a "curvy
>> mountain road" so 20 mph is probably the posted SL and the correct one.
>> You are a psychopath for getting unglued at people who simply want to
>> drive safely and legally.
>>
>
>I grew up in the mountains, driving on curvy mountain roads. I've never
>seen a speed limit as low as 20MPH unless it was in a school zone where
>psychopaths drive 41MPH. The MFFY in the original post was not driving
>safely, nor legally. -Dave

The statutory speed limit on "narrow, winding mountain highways" in
Colorado is 20 MPH but I've never seen a paved mountain road in the
east that demanded such a low speed for any significant distance.
Usually such low speeds are only appropriate and hairpin curves.

--
John Carr )

This is exactly why you want to have a car with plenty of power. That way you
can safely pass these selfish idiots on the road.
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Alex

Around 6/1/2005 9:25 AM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea)
<http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote:

> Larry R Harrison Jr wrote:
>
>>I experienced an extremely aggravating situation coming down State Road 77
>>from Globe to Winkleman to Tucson in Arizona. That is of course the dreaded
>>"parade" scenario--one driver going about 20 mph on a curvy mountain road
>>stubbornly refusing to pull over to let others buy. The length of cars was
>>over 50.
>>
>>This is a reminder--you have no moral right to do this. Your moral
>>obligation is to move over. You are NOT there to experience the scenery at
>>everyone else's expense. Just because you want to drive 20 mph and eat up an
>>entire afternoon does not mean everyone else wants to. How DARE you impose.
>
>
> You didn't say what the posted SL is.

Doesn't matter.


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but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell
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Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:
<snip>
>
> Actually, what usually happens is the car(s) stuck behind get so
> frustrated they attempt to pass against the double yellow center
> lines. Sometimes they get tickets, and sometimes they end up in
> serious collisions.

Hopefully those serious collisions result from the driver attempting to
pass pulling back into traffic traveling in the same direction, and
into the side of the car creating the road block. At least this way,
the person causing the road block doesn't walk away unphased, and
perhaps the people behind this road jam will wait for police (if
neccessary) to describe the situation.

At least in this case, the OP was fortunate enough to survive the
situation and merely write about it in the groups. I would be
concerned, though, that not everyone is as calm and collected as the
OP, and sooner or later one of these rolling road blockers is going to
**** off someone who's going to follow them to wherever they are going
and beat them even more senseless with a tire iron.