The plot thickens (KC school bus collision)

I just checked the latest reports out of Kansas City about the school bus
collision. The 45/46 (both ages have been reported) year old driver (Irma
Denise Thomas) claims that she couldn't stop the bus.

Something fishy about that story. I mean, if we take it as 100% truthful
that the bus wouldn't stop (brake failure?, brake fade?, compounded by
emergency brake failure?), then that would mean that the driver intended the
bus to plow through two other vehicles waiting at an intersection and then
go airborne, landing partially on its side in the ditch. Somehow, that does
not compute.

I wonder why so few details have been released? I'm pretty sure something
is being covered up here, as the known facts seem to be contradictory in
nature. Maybe the bus wouldn't stop as the driver claims, but that still
doesn't explain why it left the road. (steering failure also?) -Dave

Ted B. wrote:
> I just checked the latest reports out of Kansas City about the school
bus
> collision. The 45/46 (both ages have been reported) year old driver
(Irma
> Denise Thomas) claims that she couldn't stop the bus.
>
> Something fishy about that story. I mean, if we take it as 100%
truthful
> that the bus wouldn't stop (brake failure?, brake fade?, compounded
by
> emergency brake failure?), then that would mean that the driver
intended the
> bus to plow through two other vehicles waiting at an intersection and
then
> go airborne, landing partially on its side in the ditch. Somehow,
that does
> not compute.
>
> I wonder why so few details have been released? I'm pretty sure
something
> is being covered up here, as the known facts seem to be contradictory
in
> nature. Maybe the bus wouldn't stop as the driver claims, but that
still
> doesn't explain why it left the road. (steering failure also?)
-Dave

A cover-up??? AAAGGHHH. You must be a conspiracy theorist and that is
un-american. In the US of A, only sheep are allowed.

>
> A cover-up??? AAAGGHHH. You must be a conspiracy theorist and that is
> un-american. In the US of A, only sheep are allowed.
>

Well, then you explain how a bus going straight down the straight road,
intending to go straight through an intersection on a solid green signal,
experiences (alleged brake failure) and then veers completely off the road,
crossing another road (through a couple of stopped cars) and lands in the
ditch. I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything, it's just mighty darned
ODD, given the known facts. (note: I said given the KNOWN facts) -Dave

Ted B. wrote:

> Well, then you explain how a bus going straight down the straight road,
> intending to go straight through an intersection on a solid green signal,
> experiences (alleged brake failure) and then veers completely off the
> road, crossing another road (through a couple of stopped cars) and lands
> in the ditch.

Well, *partial* brake failure can lead to all sorts of interesting
things if you have decent braking on one side of the vehicle and not on
the other (especially if the poorer-braking side also has a poorer road
surface, which is by no means impossible).

That said, a decent braking system will be designed with this sort of
thing in mind - heck, even my second car, a 1979 Renault 14, had
diagonally-split dual-circuit hydraulics for this very reason. (The
braking system on its predecessor, an old Issigonis Mini, was a tad more
basic.)

> Well, *partial* brake failure can lead to all sorts of interesting
> things if you have decent braking on one side of the vehicle and not on
> the other (especially if the poorer-braking side also has a poorer road
> surface, which is by no means impossible).
>

Y'know, perhaps you've got something there. Many US drivers would have a
tendency to put the brake pedal all the way down and hold it there for any
kind of suspected mechanical failure. I would hope bus drivers would be
better trained, but somehow doubt it. Maybe the bus driver thought the
brakes were bad, and over-compensated by locking up one or more wheels. I'd
be interested to see if there are any skid marks approaching the
intersection (to the North of the intersection), and if it's possible to
tell which specific tires made them.

Yours is only one theory, but it would seem to fit pretty well, given the
known facts. -Dave

Ted B. wrote:
>>A cover-up??? AAAGGHHH. You must be a conspiracy theorist and that is
>>un-american. In the US of A, only sheep are allowed.
>>
>
>
> Well, then you explain how a bus going straight down the straight road,
> intending to go straight through an intersection on a solid green signal,
> experiences (alleged brake failure) and then veers completely off the road,
> crossing another road (through a couple of stopped cars) and lands in the
> ditch. I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything, it's just mighty darned
> ODD, given the known facts. (note: I said given the KNOWN facts) -Dave


Dry your eyes princess. It's called sarcasm, and was one of Judy's
funnier posts, please let the rest of us enjoy such a rare moment.

:-)

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>
> A cover-up??? AAAGGHHH. You must be a conspiracy theorist and that
is
> un-american. In the US of A, only sheep are allowed.

No, conspiracy theorists are ok, just not idiots. You know, like those
who are retarded enough to think that printing money is a solution to
economic problems?

--

Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend )'s words of
wisdom, love, and respect (spelling and grammatical errors left intact)

The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the govt; it's a group of
private banks and borrowing from them means the taxpayers have to pay
the interest to the banks. This has been going on for nearly a hundred
years and it's just stealing from the public and giving to the bankers.
JUST PRINT THE DAMN MONEY.
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I'm not talking about increasing the money supply; just replacing
borrowed money with printed money.
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You are an ignoramus. 9-11 was an inside job. That's for sure.
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Fork the dictionary. You've got your definitions and we've got ours.
You prolly also think that when laura bush blew a stop sign and crashed
into and killed her former BF, that it was just an "accident". HAHA
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The issue is the psychopath doing 60 mph OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!. This
guy is a murderer and i want him locked up anyway they can do it. Three
cheers for the cops.

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Market economy???? HAHAHAHA. Prices are whatever the monopolists want
to charge.
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If you speed loons would just slow down we wouldn't have a problem.
drive them until the holes get too big for that tire-in-a-can stuff to
work. Then do what I do and go to pep boys and get a set of used
retreads for $50 and repeat.
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Fork you, beyatch. I'm the greatest troll that ever lived!!!! I'm the
world's champ at infuriating all these pschopathic car loonies. HAHAHA
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Screw driver training and courtesy.
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I know what you mean, dood. I did 5 years in the can myself for beating
the crap out of a half-dozen faggot gun loonies i caught raping a
collie and I couldn't handle the food either. Goddam beets with every
meal. Ended up eating nothing but cans of tuna i bought at the commy.
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I don't think knife bans will ever happen, since knives are so damn
easy to make. I remember when i was in prison for beating up a dozen
gun loonies and we used to melt down a thousand or so aspirin tablets
into a thick goo and then let it harden into a knife shape which we
sharpened against the concrete floor. Anybody can make a knife anywhere
out of anything.
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Hey dood. I've been a US senator since 98! You mean you didn't know
that???
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I never voted in my life, you lying whore. All elections are rigged.
The globalists rigged this one by paying kerry not to attack bush.
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GODDAMMIT - STOP SENDING MESSAGES TO MORE THAN FIVE GROUPS
Google won't allow more than five. It's not my job to delete excessive
group listings but i seem to spend half my life doing that. OBEY THE
RULES, YOU BUTTHOLES!!!!
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I am not paid to delete the excessive newsgroups you clowns are posting
to. Obey the rules or GTF out of here!!!!
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Tires don't blow out anymore.
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There's not a shred of evidence that the jerries murdered anything
close to 7 million jooz. Another monstrous lie just like the 9-11
official story.
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Bush is dictator and that means he has to take the blame for
everything.
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Has he killed as many people as Laura Bush?
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You don't know what you're talking about, dood. AIDS is an american
bioweapon developed by americans so that blacks would be esp
susceptible to it.
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She knows it won't matter. Blake is white so the media will insist on a
not guilty verdict.
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YOu stupid lying ****head. All bush has accomplished in AFG is to make
it the world's leading heroin supplier.
And BTW it wasn't a war. It was a massacre against a defenseless nation
that never did anything to us.
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She's just damn lucky the press is owned by the GOP and doesn't crucify
her for vehicular manslaughter like they've done to ted kennedy for 35
years.
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You're crazy. There will be a draft. Bush is gonna stage another 9-11
type event and then say we have no choice but to go to war against
every muslim nation. And democrats will say nothing.
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I'm saying that bush obviously doesn't want to catch OBL. Not now that
the election is over, anyway.
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You're crazy, dood. Google is a super rw org and they censor liberals.
RW posters here get away with everything while libs have to be choir
boys.
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That's why so many legal scholars think republicans should be banned
from juries. Anyone who'd vote for a man who lied us into war is too
dumb to sit on a jury.
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Wouldn't have mattered if hitty had one. He took his orders from the
same organization that roosevelt did and bush does today.

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You can't even lie any good. No where in the country are cops issued
crown victorias.
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i'm sure jeffrey dahmer also objects to big daddy govt telling him he
can't kill people anymore.

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At first i thought the tars had been slashed but no, the tars were fine
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I hate cell phone drivers but at least this gal had the sense to drive
slowly while yakking.
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Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch
could be 25, i thought. Turns out the cop was right. No complaints from
me then. I should have known the law.
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On 12 May 2005 17:24:42 -0700,
wrote:

>
>Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>>
>> A cover-up??? AAAGGHHH. You must be a conspiracy theorist and that
>is
>> un-american. In the US of A, only sheep are allowed.
>
>No, conspiracy theorists are ok, just not idiots. You know, like those
>who are retarded enough to think that printing money is a solution to
>economic problems?

Well, on a personal level, I think printing money could help certain
of my own economic "problems".

But then again, counterfeiting money is something that's very hard to
do and get away with.

Of course, being in prison would mean I'd never have to worry about
paying for food or lodging.

L Sternn wrote:
> On 12 May 2005 17:24:42 -0700,
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> >>
> >> A cover-up??? AAAGGHHH. You must be a conspiracy theorist and
that
> >is
> >> un-american. In the US of A, only sheep are allowed.
> >
> >No, conspiracy theorists are ok, just not idiots. You know, like
those
> >who are retarded enough to think that printing money is a solution
to
> >economic problems?
>
> Well, on a personal level, I think printing money could help certain
> of my own economic "problems".

I understand well. :-)

> But then again, counterfeiting money is something that's very hard to
> do and get away with.

That too.

> Of course, being in prison would mean I'd never have to worry about
> paying for food or lodging.

Xeton has experience with that, and from what I can tell from it's
posts, it would like to go back. Of course, right now Xeton is living
off of welfare checks, so it doesn't have to worry about paying for
food or lodging either.

"Ted B." > wrote in
eenews.net:

>> Well, *partial* brake failure can lead to all sorts of
interesting
>> things if you have decent braking on one side of the vehicle and
not
>> on the other (especially if the poorer-braking side also has a
poorer
>> road surface, which is by no means impossible).
>>
>
> Y'know, perhaps you've got something there. Many US drivers
would
> have a tendency to put the brake pedal all the way down and hold
it
> there for any kind of suspected mechanical failure. I would hope
bus
> drivers would be better trained, but somehow doubt it. Maybe the
bus
> driver thought the brakes were bad, and over-compensated by
locking up
> one or more wheels. I'd be interested to see if there are any
skid
> marks approaching the intersection (to the North of the
intersection),
> and if it's possible to tell which specific tires made them.
>
> Yours is only one theory, but it would seem to fit pretty well,
given
> the known facts. -Dave
>
>

I haven't seen mentioned whether the bus had air brakes or
hydraulic brakes. The two braking systems handle very differently.
Some buses have ABS, some don't. Again, this greatly affects the
handling characteristics of the bus.

Doug
Bus #26